Wednesday, September 1, 2010

Poll Wars - Hoboken Reporter gets nice bump in traffic over Police Layoff Poll

Update 9/1/2010:

Here are the final results of the Hoboken Journal Police Layoff Poll. Again, my take on this again based on the analysis of the traffic is that this is the result of a highly motivated level of Police Union support from outside of Hoboken to inflate the numbers here by a margin of over 2-1. The run-up on the poll over at the Hoboken Reporter pretty much indicates that but the margin there is almost 4-1. I wonder if we will see reference to the Hoboken Reporter Poll results at tonight's city council meeting by the PBA? Things that make you go hmmm.


Update 8/30/2010 7:40AM:

The Hoboken Reporter Poll on the Hoboken Police Layoffs has had an unprecedented run-up for a poll on their site over this weekend. I anticipated that the momentum would shift heavily in favor of the PBA once I saw the run up start to happen since that poll has a flaw that easily allows you to vote more than once.

In order to get a sense of where those votes where coming from, I created my own poll on this site and let it sit for a while before putting it out there on the NJ.com Hoboken Forum. As soon as I did The poll predictably went from the Mayor being ahead by a 2-1 margin to the PBA being ahead by that margin. Putting this poll on my website gave me the ability to make the following observation: the majority of votes on the poll are not coming from Hoboken.

Here are some samples of this below. I had an artificial spike in traffic over the weekend predominantly from outside of Hoboken....

Sample Users on 8/29/2010 - predominantly not from Hoboken
Results from the Hoboken Journal Poll shared with MSV as of 8-30-2010 7:40AM
So I am fairly confident that neither the Hoboken Reporter Poll or the Hoboken Journal poll reflect the sentiments of the Hoboken voter by any level of accuracy. It just shows that the Unions in NJ are showing a bit of solidarity and perhaps getting carpal tunnel syndrome as a result. I would like to thank all those who bounced over from NJ.com's old guard Hoboken forum to cast their vote and give me this insight. Thank you.

Update 8/29/2010: Here are the number for the Hoboken Reporter Layoff Poll as of this morning at 8:14AM, The article itself has over 6,000 views which is very very high for this website:

HR Layoff Poll numbers 8/29/2010 8:14AM

Here are some observations from a point in time yesterday about the poll:

From 8:57am to 2:44pm on 8/28/2010, Zimmer got 41 votes and the Police 263
From 2:44pm to 3:14pm on 8/28/2010 (a half hour), Zimmer got 2 votes and the Police got 216!


So, one could conclude fallaciously, that the people of Hoboken are more than 100 to 1 against Zimmer during this non-randomly selected sample half hour. If that is the case then why was there not the massive outcry when the layoffs were announced? The only conclusion one can come to with any reasonable amount of numerical literacy is that the poll has been rushed. It could be a combination of grass roots police unions or bots but you have to give a tip of the hat to either Swibinski or the Unions or both for a minor PR victory. However is anyone really fooled by this? Problem is based on this observation alone this poll is meaningless since the probability that a poll could have a sizable margin in favor of the Mayor at one point and then go over 100-1 in any point in time is near infinitesimal. Thus this poll simply does not reflect public sentiment accurately.

It would be accurate to say the police union is sufficiently motivated to make a statement by clicking on the Hoboken Reporter poll repeatedly given the flaw in the poll. I am confident in saying based on the results of my own poll after posting the link on NJ.com that many of the votes are not from Hoboken based on my web analysis tools. My poll does not allow multiple voting too easily and the margin in favor of the Police is in favor of them as expected by about 2-1, not 4-1 on the Hoboken Reporter. Before I put up the link it was in favor of the Mayor. So what does that prove. Nothing. that is my point. Polls are a way to drive traffic and interest but nothing more.

For reference poll at two different times yesterday where police pick up close to 200 votes and the Mayor only 2:
Poll at 2:54PM 8/28/2010

Poll at 3:18PM 8/28/2010
 Wow, holy statistically implausible wide margins Batman!

Original Post 8/28/2010: Ladies and gentlemen, it looks like a poll war is brewing over at the Hoboken Reporter. The Hoboken Reporter did a story on The PBA President's press release to the Mayor excoriating her for her decision to layoff 18 Police Officers and included a poll asking their readers who they felt was correct on the issue, the Mayor or the PBA Police Union. Initially, the poll swung heavily in favor of the Mayor and she held a sizable lead even with hundreds of responses. However, over time and after over 3,500 views of the article, the poll now swings heavily in favor of the Police Union. The poll at the Hudson Reporter does allow for duplicate votes and in Hudson County tradition I did vote twice just to see if would work.

It would appear a late night operation was underway to turn the poll results in the PBA's favor. Vision Media consultants is said to be on retainer and that company is run by none other the Paul Swibinski aka "The Minister of Propaganda" or as some on my website have alluded to as "Hudson County's very own Baghdad Bob".

Are these poll results a victory for the Police Union and a master stroke for chief propagandist Paul Swibinski? Or are they just a waste of time and an insult to intelligent people who know what is really going on? I wonder if the Police Union, after shelling out $18,000 for their own audit and another retainer for fairly expensive Paul Swibinski is hurting for cash in their Union fund? Hopefully, they didn't have to do a special assessment for dues from the Police men so a bunch of Hudson County political operatives could get a paycheck for clicking a computer over and over again. For some information on  Paul Swibinki's boiler room go to: http://www.visionmediapolitical.com/

Earlier this week I was pointed to a video by Bill Brennan on the North Hudson Fire and Rescue's patronage operation and Paul Swibinski won the "Big Tit Sucker of the Month" reward.
Paul Swibinski (right) with Staffer - Courtesy of MSV blog

To read my full writeup on this go to:
http://thehobokenjournal.blogspot.com/2010/08/ki-champthe-new-jersey-civil-circus.html

Below is the Hudson Reporter Poll in question with link to the article:


The Poll early on when it first started


Poll at 8:57AM Saturday August 28, 2010

As a response, I have started my own version of the poll here. The technology behind Vizu polls does a much better job of preventing duplicate votes but as I have always said online polls are not a scientifically accurate method of sampling voters. For your amusement:


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anonymous · 761 weeks ago

The police review is self serving. There is no way we need all those masses of arses sitting in offices doing nothing but taking unlimited sick time, contract days, vacation days without recording them. It's time to go to work.

The "this will make Hoboken unsafe" routine is all they have. Scare people.

If they need more feet on the street get the LTs and the Capitan in charge of the shift to get up and respond. No more gravy train jobs.

3rd week in September is when the axe comes? Bring it.
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PissedOffTaxpayer · 761 weeks ago

Love the tongue-in-check comment about Hudson County and voting twice - does that really happen in Hoboken?*!?
Using proxy servers the HJ poll can be spammed just like the HR poll was, and the Reverend Paul seems to have done so here too. Maybe the poll results will be included in one of the mailers Mr. Swibinski will clutter our mail boxes with over the next 3 weeks.

Its hard to see how any of this will change anything since the decision is Zimmer's alone and union sponsored mailers and TV commercials are unlikely to change her mind. Still, the Reverend Paul needs to make a living and there's a sucker born every day.
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Grafix Avenger · 761 weeks ago

OK, the above was a mistake... RG pls delete. THIS is what I meant to post:

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InfotainMe · 761 weeks ago

As a benchmark, 54 people voted in HR's tax give-back poll - only last week. You can argue that more people care about this issue. But 4000 more people?

It's just a quick reminder of what Swibbo is about.

But these tactics, every damn one of them, back-fire. Ditto the antics of 'that other site'; and ditto the the behavior of that oily school-deprived bait-fish and his humorless nerd mentor on this site. Every bit of it works against any cause they are perceived as supporting. If Beth had any political instincts she'd beg them to work for her opponent or just stay away from her.

On a positive note, you may safely bet that Beth won't lose another 'poll' on 'that other site'. Swibbo has shown 'the way'. What they would need to work on are the comically 'enthusiastic' totals now appearing on HR. That's just embarrassing. Do they even see that?
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InfotainMe · 761 weeks ago

Here's a suggestion - log onto HR and vote for the Police Union 10 times. See if we can get them up to 10k. That will show the poll for the charade it is.
Well we do live in NJ and the unions are perfectly willing to engage in unethical behavior during elections so why not in a poll conducted online? Still doesn't change the fact that the public does not support them.
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Hey Redrider765, I guess you and the multiple screen names of your five fiends now speak for the Public? You must have gone to scholl with Scotty Siegel or he lent you his frog.
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Redrider765 · 761 weeks ago

The public spoke at the ballot box when they elected Christie, Zimmer and a whole ton of other people not too friendly to the unions. You guys still reloading the HBR web page and stuffing the ballot box? Unlike you union hacks, I was out most of the weekend doing something besides trying to convince the public we should overpay for city services.
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notsoloyal · 761 weeks ago

Phinctus,

Oh is that you Margaret ? At least you restrained yourself from making racist comments this time
I hope that wasn't her. We don't need the mentally unwell dregs of that other site finding this place.
Oh there's little likelihood two voices are speaking that language right out of the letter over the weekend on the Margaret O'Brien page. The Hudson Reporter reserves space just for her. Either that or no one else writes enough letters so they are forced to carry hers almost every week or so it seems.

MSV just posted another insight into the polling wars. It's an interesting and honest view from a Hoboken Police officer.
http://hobokenhorse.blogspot.com
I looked her letter to the editor up online and I have to wonder how the hell that got into the paper. It made absolutely no sense.
While I continue to read all of the outrage over the lay offs, one mental image will remain with me as it was etched into my brain just now as I left the bank. Outside, a black and white cruiser was illegally parked in front of Chock Full o Nuts. Standing on the sidewalk with a tray of coffee was a uniformed officer, yakking away with some random person, enjoying the afternoon air. Obviously sent from HQ, a mere block away, for the afternoon Joe and, given the size of his waist, he obviously would have had trouble making it on foot, so a cruiser was in reality necessary. If our coffee boy flunky is one of the 18 or so laid off cops, I will not be too bothered by it.

The foregoing scene is not really new in my experience around town over the past 15 years or so, but in the middle of screams from the stuffed pigs on the force about how every man is necessary to the health, life and safety of us poor overtaxed citizens, the men in uniform would be better served if some of their PR dollars was spent to write a notice to the members to not be so obvious in their gold bricking. Rember, we live here. We see you every day. We get it. There really is waste and inefficiency on the force.

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