Friday, July 16, 2010

Update: JibJab Video Editorial and City Council Appointments Thread

Update 7/16/2010: This has become the defacto thread for discussion of Wednesday night's City Council meeting and the appointments made. Hence I have bumped it up.

Update 7/14/2010:

I received an email from a Hoboken Journal reader encouraging me to continue with the satire on my site and to ignore the "blow-hards". Here is the brief note.....

"I don't know if you decided to kill the jib jabs voluntarily or if people were leaning on you but, if the latter, then my advice is to ignore them - we need opinionated independent voices in this town and yours is a unique and valued one - satire is always going to drive some people, and sometimes even unintended targets, crazy, but that's what makes it deliver its message so clearly - and the fact that your site mixes up satire, editorializing and news is what makes it an interesting place to visit - so if there are blow-hards out there just stick your earplugs in and keep doing what you've been doing."

- Hoboken Journal Reader

My response: Yes, there definitely has been some leaning on me but my decision to take a break is more reflective of my desire to figure out what exactly my blog will do and won't do. Also a factor in this are my concerns about the general political movement towards progress in Hoboken I support despite my occasional disagreements with reformers from time to time.

One of the problems I have with the recent reactions by some over the Jib Jab videos is what I view as an over-reaction by a few very vocal people. I wanted some time to assess if those concerns have any merit. I ultimately feel that I must maintain my own opinions and express them as such. I think that when I do give my opinion on this blog they will for a lack of a better word have more heft, something that on a physical level I have in abundance.

At this point it is important that I remind readers that my break with Beth Mason occurred shortly after her handlers and Beth herself were very critical of what I had honestly wrote on an issue. Here is my hope that history does not repeat itself. There is much at stake.

Original Post 7/12/10:


I will be taking a break for a while with respect to Jib Jab with one duly noted and timely exception on August 3rd since it is related to a historical event in Hoboken's political history and simply must be lampooned. Some Hoboken residents and politicos are simply not ready for political satire with this newer medium even though the very concept of political satire and the protection and has been a principle of the foundation of our very liberties in America from its inception.

I have come to the realization that even though my blog is my own,such satire could impact the efforts of a political movement I support and for this I must take personal responsibility. There also is the possible undesired effect that some forms of satire could have on this blog in terms of honestly discussing the issues. Hence a bit of a Jib Jab break is in store until I figure out how to better balance my creative need for parody without detracting from the goals of informative discussion. Perhaps the goal of informed discussion and satire are mutually exclusive and perhaps not. That is a part of the evolution that this site is going through and sometimes it can be a bumpy ride. I can assure my readership that my view of Jib Jab is a light hearted parody in a political sense. It is unfortunate that some people don't see it that way. Perhaps those people don't know me very well.

So my dilemma now is how to write with my occasionally comedic style without crossing any invisible or visible barriers that may or may not be there or inhibiting what distinguishes my website from others out there with my own unique voice. Any suggestions in the comments below would be helpful. This is my site and I don't have to listen to anyone but I do take constructive criticism or suggestions pretty well. Thanks for reading. ◦
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RG, Its a sad day when dirty limericks are the 'classy' form of political commentary. I will fight to the death to protect your right Jib Jab. However, I think this is the right decision they did sometimes set a nasty tone better left to certain numerically oriented websites.
I blame people without a sense of humor for this post. Damn you humorless fools!
July 12, 2010. The day the music died .
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JibJabNation · 765 weeks ago

RG

It's ok, this just makes the rest of us want to use JIbJab even more, you started it, were gonna finish it.
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JibJabNation · 765 weeks ago

Here is a video I just made. The stars of the video are the first 5 people that just popped in my mind in not particular order.

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hullabaloo · 765 weeks ago

I guess I'll have to make my own JibJab with Mason starring in the Flashdance video "She's a Maniac" unless you start taking custom orders ;)
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Grafix Avenger · 765 weeks ago

How ironic, dear RG, that you have come to the place you warned me about all those months ago, though my circumstance is clearly different due to my 'exposure'..

But in fact, though I understand your decision to halt the type of satire you've been doing recently, I don't believe that you should feel compelled to stop ALL satirical jibs and jabs. I mean, that if your satire is targeted-- more directed at a specific event, incident, statement, etc. and you are serving it to make a point (or statement) I don't see that as harmful at all. It could even be helpful. JibJabs are funny, but fall under more generalist type of humor... more burlesque, really. You don't have to STOP being funny, and you are a naturally funny kind of guy, just I would say hone your jabs and jibs to make a targeted political point or statement. That's fundamentally American.

This coming from someone who's gotten a lot of push back, who's learned a few things, and who's made mistakes.
GA

Eloquently stated. Will not add anything as I woudl vote for kickign them int he balls all the harder and make thme cry til they laugh. I am sure that advice would get RG in trouble and will ikely get a few brick bats throiwn at me.
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Lenz will lose · 765 weeks ago

No jib jab video will be the reason for Mike Lenz losing the 4th Ward. It will be because his campaign is tepid and he has offered no solutions to the 4th Ward. Timothy is out there fighting for the people of the 4th Ward. Lenz is just sitting on his ass.
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Lenz will lose · 765 weeks ago

Timmy is the only independent in the race. Lenz is beholden to the Mayor. We need representation in the 4th Ward.
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Hullabaloo said it ever so eloquently, you silly, silly rabitt
« hullabaloo wrote on Tuesday, Jul 13 at 11:00 AM »
Who does Occhipinti think he's fooling when he claims he's lacking in political connections and financial resources? Occhipinti has only been in Hoboken for a couple of years but he's as politically connected as it gets starting with his mentor Maurice Fitzgibbons who mentored convicted ex-Mayor Cammarano and Campos before him. Occhipinti is using Mason's campaign manager Ryan Yacco. And when Fitzgibbons isn't available to chaperone Occhipinti Perry Belfiore is only to happy to supervise. Oh and there will be money Occhipint won't have to worry about that with these connections. What Occhipinti doesn't have is independence. Just days before Cammarano's arrest Occhipinti was arguing against returning zoning board authority to city council and in favor of concentrating mayoral power; Occhipinti wasn't unconnected or independent then and he isn't now; this bewildered little boy lost political neophyte routine isn't fooling anyone.
Read more: Hudson Reporter - Hoboken’s 4th Ward needs a dedicated representative

As if you think anyone believes TIMMAY! is independent.
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I LUV TIMMAY! · 765 weeks ago

Timmy South Park Song: [youtube oFFQpd9akSg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFQpd9akSg&feature=related youtube]
Maybe the line in the sand is if a person making a video would not be offended if it was themselves being portrayed in the same video, then it's fair.
RG - After the meeting last night, I am not sure that a break with a certain faction isn't in order. I know I now understand how one goes from being very much in someone's corner to complete voter apathy over the course of 48 hours. And I let him know it too. And I'll tell you what, I'm not pleased with any of the 3 that voted aye.
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Perception is everything, indeed. One can't come on here and say that jibjab videos could hurt the candidate's campaign, when that same candidate makes it clear that "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" is the mentality with his nomination and vote. Basically, last night Mike destroyed his credibility IMO (and I did email him indicating that). I just don't know how on the one side he (through Tony) can be so concerned with the perception of this site being like H411 and hurting his campaign, when he knew he was going to nominate Tony for another board position, this one with benefits. Not only does appointing the same person to multiple positions reek of the Roberts era (and cronyism) but Tony is a loose cannon on a good day. WTF?

In addition, and maybe my attitude was colored by that vote, I did not like the way ML went after Ian Sachs. I listened to Ian, he made a lot of sense, and the attitude ML took with him was atrocious. Last night was definitely eye opening for me. I'm about one meeting away from supporting Timmay (lol, ok, not really going to support him, but I can see actively advocating that my friends in the 4th not vote for Mike or Tim, and let the "chips fall as they may").

Does Waiters live in the 4th? Maybe she'll run.

On a serious note, November just got very interesting. IMO, this opens the door to a reform candidate stepping up & running against Mike. Is Rami still interested?
Note: Mike Lenz is still the best candidate announced to date for the 4th Ward in my opinion but maybe a reformer will step up now. It is wait and see time.
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TonyH and ML both lost a great deal of credibility last night. I hope that it was worth it to them.
Frankly, RG and KS, they inlficted more damage on themselves than any post by KS or satiric video by RG could ever do. At this point, TonyH posts are irrelevant to me. As for ML, I wish there was another dog in the hunt. I really can't think about what would happen if Maurice's butt boy is elected, and splitting the vote by adding another candidate into the mix is the sure fire way to let that happen.
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Confucious · 764 weeks ago

40-story office towers make big shadows.
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Ian Sacs is a big boy and held up well last night. If ML had had not asked the hard questions then someone else would have. I rather ML did it.

As for TS, he can be a pain in the ass but he also is one of the few people I think can both handle the position as far as getting the needed work done and defusing the political BS on that Board.

I don't see any other viable reform candidate in the 4th Ward emerging by November and to lose the City Council majority would be a bad for all reform minded people.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

I agree that difficult questions must be asked. I disagree that a negative and condescending tone has to be taken.
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That portion of the mereting was poltical Kabuki to me, ML asking hard quesitons and playign the role of council person effectively. Mr. Sacs should have expected that and seemed to handle things relatively well. No one can say that the "majority" rolled voer on that issue.

The credibility issue is the dual corn cob TS problem. TS has several ways to deal with this. He can refuse to take benies from the Sewer Authority, he can resign from the Zoning Board, or he can resign from the ML campagin. He can't do all three. It exposes ML and TS to legimate scrutiny as political cronies who are in the race for their own gain, which is the definition that I, and many others, apply to the term "Old Guard". From now on, TS needs to identify from which vantage point he is making any post: private citizen, political consultant, Zoning Board member or Sewer Authoirty member. His last round of comments are certainly highly suspect now, given his failure to disclose his pending nomintation to the Sewer Authority, a fact that he clearly had to know about in advance when the posts were being made. And which he should have disclosed.
For the record, Guest II, as talented as TS is, and I do recognize his considerable talents and appereciate the long tough road he has slogged through politically, I don't accept that he is the only person in town "up to the job".
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Wow, I'm out of this loop. Can someone explain what happened? It sounds like - a) Mike L. nominated Tony S. for the sewage authority and, I guess, because Tony is already on another board, that's a problem, right? And b) there was some nasty/hard questions directed at Ian S.? In connection with what?
indie- ignore the Ian thing, I think it's become apparent that I overreacted to that line of questioning.

Mike nominated Tony Soares for the sewage authority, and the 5 aye votes were Mike, Carol, Peter, Russo & Theresa. Ravi, Giacchi & Beth voted no.

My issue with Tony on two boards is this:
1. It looks like a handout from Mike to Tony for working on his campaign
2. Reason #1 is one of the things the reformers aren't supposed to do, that was part of the "we're different" approach.
3. I realize that right now Tony isn't working full time, and has more time to devote to these boards, but what will happen when he has a job? Is he going to have time to do both fully?
4. There are 30,000+ people in Hoboken - I'm to believe that among them no one else was ready, willing & able to do it?
5. Brian was also in the running, he isn't on another board and was the better choice.
6. See my post above for the personal reasons that i'm against it
7. I don't trust Tony - recall his nomination for the 4th ward seat from Mike Russo last year? That didn't happen by itself.
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TS may have just crashed and burned with this appointment. I hope that he has not taken ML down with him. I dare any of the sitting council members to introduce an ordinace that prohibits serving on more than one board at a time.
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Read the Patch article about the appointment, and note respnose from TS when asked if he would be taking the health benefits package: "that's irrelevant." , claiming that he currently has health care overage and pulled out his card to prove it. Actually this is worse than I thought it would be. Does TS think that no one gets that the non-contribution benefits package from the Sewer Authority is not a HUGE perk to him? Funded by the taxpayers and that this looks like polticial paybakck from ML to his trusted current compaign advisor? And now TS claims to be buddy with M. Russo? I guess those luches with him really did rub off some of the Old Guard stench. I am begining to think that he and ML are just tone deaf.
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Unbelieveable. First, the Jib Jab video created an impression of alliance that was factually incorrect. But RG not only offered a retraction, but will take a hiatus from this particular form of satire. ok. But then, last night - Michael Russo nominated Tony Soares for the Sewage Authority seat and Lenz voted FOR it! Unbelieveable. If it were between Brian and Soares - certainly Brian was the ok-Zimmer aligned, but otherwise non-tainted, better choice. But the stench of a DEAL is all over this Sewage Authority appointment. Reformers my arse.
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i think burns makes the point that Reformers eat their young. Not everyone is perfect. Many great things have been happening. To burn the house down down now, would serve to benefit the Mason/ Russo group.
For the good of the cause is NO EXCUSE to accpet the idiocy of having TS serve on multiple boards, as well as a lame rationale. Is it not lost on anyone that TS repalced Cammaroano'sconvicted felon BAGMAN and the the poster child for slopping at the trough? That seat should have gone to someonebeyond the ability to criticize as a poltiical hack/insider/crony - if for nothing opther than the symbolism.
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The Question · 764 weeks ago

Ok, time for the most important question of the night:

WHO FARTED?
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JibJabNation · 764 weeks ago

JibJab is freedom of the press Kurt, "you can do it" Rob Schneider the Waterboy
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Not so OK Corral · 764 weeks ago

TS is a has been, move along folks. Anyone who posts on 6 sites under 23 user names is someone to avoid.
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