The Hoboken Journal: Hoboken Offers New Business Parking Permit Option

Thursday, December 9, 2010

Hoboken Offers New Business Parking Permit Option

The Mayor met with the Hoboken Chamber of Commerce last week. This policy decicion comes in part from ideas gathered from that meeting.....

HOBOKEN OFFERS NEW FREE BUSINESS PARKING PERMIT OPTION

Option can save businesses $1,000 per year while creating more parking for customers

As a result of feedback received from the business community, the City of Hoboken is now offering businesses a new free parking permit option allowing discounted parking in municipal garages. The new option, which can save businesses nearly $1,000 per year in parking costs per vehicle, is only valid in combination with the purchase of $5/day merchant coupons to park in municipal parking garages and does not permit on-street parking. The original $200 business permit that also allows on-street parking is still available as an option.

A new option for Hoboken Businesses to choose from

“I am glad that by working with the business community, we are finding solutions that work for both businesses and their customers,” said Mayor Dawn Zimmer. “I hope businesses will take advantage of this new option, and we encourage everyone to do their shopping in Hoboken and support our local businesses this holiday season.”

On December 3rd, Mayor Dawn Zimmer and Transportation and Parking Director Ian Sacs met with approximately 30 members of the Chamber of Commerce to discuss parking and transportation concerns with the business community. One of the concerns raised by business owners is that parking is incredibly difficult for customers. At the meeting, Director Sacs noted that nationwide, 40% to 60% of on-street parking in retail areas is occupied by business owners and their employees, and many attendees agreed with the statement. As a result, the turnover of those spaces is very low and makes parking more difficult for their own customers. Director Sacs mentioned that those with business permits can already park in municipal garages at the discounted rate of $5 for 12 hours – less than the $8 it costs to feed the meters for 8 hours, which is technically not legal. By saving $3 per day, a business can save nearly $800 per year compared to feeding the meters for on-street parking. While this alternative was well received, one owner noted the high upfront cost of paying $200 for a business permit, only to have to pay an additional $5 per day. In response, Director Sacs committed on the spot to creating a new free business permit option in addition to the normal $200 permit.

Permits must be clearly displayed on the dashboard at all times when in Hoboken. This new permit option is available immediately at the Parking Utility in the basement of City Hall, 94 Washington Street.

Link: http://www.hobokennj.org/news/hoboken-offers-new-free-business-parking-permit-option/

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

$5 a day to park in garages for the business community is a terrific idea. The only issue is for the people who run businesses that are not close to a garage. Maybe a shuttle from the garages could also benefit Hoboken business owners. Either way the $5 deal is a great deal. The city needs to send something to all the businesses to encourage them to take advantage of this offer.

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

How about a pumpkin coach? Geez Lieber, how much of our money do you want from us?

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Cincy · 744 weeks ago

Weren't you the guy screaming about Hoboken residents being too lazy to walk to a garage because they supported the existing Corner Cars program with its vehicles on the corners in their neighborhoods?

So you complain about Hoboken residents being lazy but now you want a shuttle for businesses so they don't have to walk to a garage.

Fascinating.

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

exactly!!!

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guest · 744 weeks ago

David - The City is offering taxpayer subsidized below market rate parking in City garages to for profit businesses and your first response is that the taxpayers should pay for a shuttle bus too? The discounted permits are a good idea because it helps both residents and businesses. I'm sure the City would have no objection to having business owners organize and pay for a shuttle if they think that is a good idea. Isn't that what Condo buildings do throughout Hoboken?

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

The city should offer a discounted rate to business owners in the parking garages. I said the $5 idea was a good idea and should be advertised more to business owners so they use it more.
We need more open space for parking for business clients.

The shuttle from the garages as a combo deal with the city and chamber of commerce would assist. That is all I was saying. If they don't do another shuttle...ok.

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

Makes sense. Maybe through a chamber of commerce effort with the city. I believe the Mayor is mentioning trying to aid in transporting people throughout the city as she just met with the Chamber last week about this issue.
The city needs to do all they can to support and work with the business community to uncover new ideas that can assist in generating more revenue for the city.

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

WTF is the CHamber of Commerce doing?
Aren't they supposed to raise funds for the main street initiatives?

ENOUGH HANDOUTS!

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EasyE · 744 weeks ago

What constitutes not close enough?

No one is being forced to use it. If they want ease in parking they can use it and walk, if not, they can continue to take their chances like they always have.

The entire city is easily accessible from the garages. Nothing is more than a 15 minute walk to the furthest reaches of town. Washington Street is always packed, back on Adams, not so much (unless you're near Fiore's!)

The garages have plenty of room in them, so this doesn't cost the city a dime and will increase parking fees, even if they are discounted. it's a cheap sensible solution that uses existing infrastructure to free up parking during business hours for customers.

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

What's pretty funny about this is..........I actually agreed with an IAN's $5 plan and I was still questioned.
And the mayor was just speaking about this last week about a new shuttle van.

Why don't you guys ever question our Mayor?

My point about the garages was a point that everyone said about corner cars..........garages are not everywhere.
But if you want to make that arguement that everything is a 15 min walk then put corner cars into the garages because I agree we are all to lazy anyway....walk a little.

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

Here is the difference, most of the businesses and meters are near garages so this program is perfect for those meter hogs who park all day at a 2 hr meter and feed the meter non-stop all day soaking up what is supposed to be short term parking.

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

That is false. There are businesses in Hoboken that are all over the city and garages are not everywhere.
But I do agree that they should still use them, when possible.
Or use them and just walk to work.

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EasyE · 744 weeks ago

Can you explain why you disagree with the corner cars?

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Easy, David Liebler applied for a job under Zimmer to be her spokesperson, he didn't get it.
Soon after he went on typo-filled tirades on every blog in town.

Liebler is also the PR man for many of the problems we get from the new "Lounges" and clubs in town

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

This topic of me not getting the communications job is very old and if that is the only thing that you have to write against me, that's sad. Be more creative. I am a little fat and very white as an Irish kid....go with that, it's new material.
I was never interested in being her spokeperson. I wanted to be involved with the website and the overhaul and that is why the Mayor contacted me, but then changed her mind to have a face to face meeting.
Probably due to my Peter Cammarano support that I offered as a volunteer. OLD NEWS.

As far a me being the PR guys for the "new lounges" or " the hospitality" sector, I am not!
I own a successful website called EatDrinkHoboken.com and in 2011 I will be creating:
EatDrinkMorristown and EatDrinkJerseyCity.com.

I only had one client tell me the problem with parking for employees and he suggested we increase the meter time to 4 hours. When I spoke to IAN he mentioned to me that there is a $5 deal.
I told IAN that he should use the city website and develop more marketing collateral to support the initiative and guess what ....HE DID. You see reasonable people can talk things out and solve problems.

What are you doing for Hoboken Mr. NewCityTimmy that is helping Hoboken?

Last Point: The lounges and bars in Hoboken make Hoboken an attraction and a revenue producer for the city. Should they all pack up their bags and get out of town due to NCT complaining?

Stop bitching, complaining and attacking under fake names. Stop being a coward!

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Liebler were you not the "host" and Man behind Lunge 200's grand opening with the Guidettes of Bergen County"?

And no I'm not telling YOU my name, no more than your pal Marcus, and your role model Lane Bajardi who you are fast becoming the boy wonder to...

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

I am not a corner cars hater by any stretch of the imagination. I just think that 40 spots was alot and some should be placed into the garages.
Other then that one comment, I could not care less about corner cars. The city and our Mayor need to work on more pressing issues then a corporate rental car program.
With that being said I am surprised that all this energy went into the corner cars program and tons of people showing up to support it at the city council meeting. (Tons of New politicians in the making) making their votes as they prepare for the election cycle.
I saw the future 1st ward, 2nd ward and 4th ward potential city council challengers all get up and speak out for corner cars! Amazing positioning, photo ops and video taped recordings to prepare them for the elections.
lol

Where was everyone for the last 2 nights............the western edge and getting a community center is NOT more important then some corner cars program that get 40 people to hand in permits.

Seems odd!

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EasyE · 744 weeks ago

I think it's more accurate to describe it as working on is the parking problem. Almost 50 permits turned in for use of 40 parking spaces. There are 1000 members after a few months even though zipcar has been here for a decade. Makes you wonder why they didn't just join zipcar, right?

There's a vocal minority in Hoboken that is against anything that comes out of City Hall, not because it's a bad idea, but because of where it comes from. Sorry if I lumped you in that camp, but I do recall you hollering at the council at the meeting, so I wondered.

I don't care about a community center. I won't use it, but I would imagine some will benefit from it. I wonder how much it will cost and what small fraction of the population will benefit? Makes you wonder why no one is asking that question.

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Ni you are just an ALL THINGS ZIMMER HATER!

You acted like a fool at the Rue School the other night

Don't worry, I ain't stopping. I got your number and I will make sure everyone knows what a sham/shill/hack you really are!

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Community Center? WTF? why... we have The Multi Service Center The Boys and Girls club and 5 School Gyms.

Build a big outdoor pool and charge like all towns do and be done with it!

Enough Toddler crap!

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

There's a BIG difference between employees of a business sitting in one space IN FRONT OF THEIR STORE OR REAL ESTATE OFFICE all day vs Hoboken residents having an easy alternative to renting a car all the way across town.

Liebler are you offering garage space to the city for free?

Most garages are PROPERTY of PRIVATE condos or Luxury rentals why should they give up parking so a bunch of backwater minded politicians and bloodsucking leeches get more spaces?

Corner Cars are very popular with the 25-35 years olds your boy Timmy thinks he's in tune with....Well, he better wisen up or his tenure on the council will soon end!

Go Rami Go!

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

NewCItyTimmy-What is your name?
You have a lot of comments...............many make no sense
I am not for free garages...........

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

You are a dope!
My name doesn't matter anymore than your pal Marcus or many of your Mentor Bajardi's multiple screen names...
You are not for free garages GOOD! But you want free deals for businesses?

You want corner cars off corners?

You like Zimmer but you trash everything she does?

You are a living OXY-Moron.. oh maybe just drop the "OXY" part...

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

Little Timmy, it is really easy to narrow down the zimmer fanatics in the room and narrow it down eventually to who you are.....in time it will come and I will expose you for the fake hack that you really are....stop hiding behind fake names, if you are attending these meetings.
Man UP!
Or are you just another wimp in town who likes to attack people all day. At least I will accomplish things in this life, what are you but a wimp, scared little person hiding behind made up names to protect themselves.....
grow a set of balls.................

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

You are so macho. Fist Bump in dah airrrrrr! Lounge 200 Tonight bro!

And I will make it my mission to avoid anyone who advertises on your site.

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

I already do that for some sites in town. Can't trust a restaurant review from a place where opinions are for sale.

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guest · 744 weeks ago

Seems like you have anger management issues Liebler- get a grip!

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Guest · 744 weeks ago

eatdrinkparkhoboken is next???????

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

Not a bad idea for a site to give people from out of town a listing of parking and a garage.
Thanks

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Strange for a business owner to be so boldy political....

Alienate the majority of residents WHO love the Mayor.

Make friends with Unemployed News Anchors and Elitist Councilwomen who spend their dough in Manhattan...

Liebler you are a genius

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guest · 744 weeks ago

David - doesn't the hop already stop by the city's garages? I think it does but I could be mistaken. If it does wouldn't that existing service for all Hoboken residents address your concern? It sounded like you were suggesting a new taxpayer funded van to be used exclusively for businesses. I'm not sure what proposal you're referring to from the Mayor but the only transportation proposals I've heard about would be for use by anybody and that's quite a bit different than a van just for money making businesses. If I misunderstood you I apologize.

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

The mayor is trying to work with the chamber of commerce to develop new ideas for alternative transportation.
Which is a good thing.
Being pro-active our mayor on this issue, I like it.
I do not suggest the city spend money on another shuttle but if more shuttles are something that the administration believe we need, I would not fight it. They do research on this. Maybe they cut a deal with all the businesses in town. Anything is possible.

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EricKurta · 744 weeks ago

Why such an issue with local businesses? Granted, I've long taken a dim view of their parking practices, as this has been an issue that has surfaced many times already in my nineteen years here. Increased availability of parking on Washington Street as a result of less merchant-parking and increased turnover benefits residents as well as merchants. It benefits those who have reason to drive to a shop (maybe you're picking up a five-gallon can of paint at the hardware store) and -more importantly - gets shopper cars, especially those from out-of-town, off residential streets and back on to Washington Street. I don't know that a shopper-shuttle is necessary. Perhaps an additional Hop can be designated for that purpose once (and if) the Hop program becomes more popular.

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Because Liebler is a Paid PR Hack for Lounge 200 and Danny Fat Ass Aiello's Tutta Pasta.
They are whining

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

That place is no more than 2 blocks from a garage and their employees constantly park at 2 hr meters for well past 2 hrs. Let them park in the garage and no shuttle for lazy people who don't feel like walking 100 yards from the garage to Tutta Pasta.

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

This is NOT Tutta Pasta's issue....again, they don't care. It was another bar 2 blocks away that suggested a longer time on the meters, say 3-4 hours, so patrons and employees would not have to run outside while eating. I agreed. 3-4 hours sounded reasonable, I will bring it up at a chamber of commerce meeting and the city council meeting.
After the city council meeting, Iam came to me and asked if I knew about the $5 business deal.
I said No.
He Told me.
I agreed it was a good plan.
I said you should PR it more so everyone knows.

Case closed.

F-OFF to the haters who keep attacking me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once I find out exactly who you are (AND I WILL) I will begin my person blog attack on you and you can see how it feels.

Drop the baggage and start listening to the issues that I address.
Focus on looking at it from my point of view for one minute before you decide to attack me.

I am pretty reasonable.
David
CEO EatDrinkHoboken
Hoboken resident 11 years!

Help Hoboken!

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

3-4 hours is idiotic. It makes it easier for workers at bars and restaurants to park at the meters all day and makes it even harder for people who need short term parking to find a place to park their car. They should be putting their cars in the garages under Sacs' new parking plan, not parking at the meters during the entirety of their shifts.

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

Redrider756 (yet another idiot with a fake name)

Check out the NYC.gov site and ask yourself....am I the idiot or really is it you.
Let me cut to the chase....NYC street meters range from 1-12 hours depending on the street.
What would make sense is having certain meters be available on washington st for more time and for a higher price. Price will determine who parks where! This way the city makes more money on street parking and business people will start to realize that the garage is cheaper.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/prkintr...

Parking rates for single-space parking meters and multiple-space muni-meters vary by street location across the five boroughs. Parking rates are posted on each parking meter and muni-meter, and the legal parking duration is posted in the top left hand corner of the green meter signs. Legal parking durations vary from 1 hour to 12 hours. Parking is generally free on Sunday.

Rates for commercial vehicles are $2.50 for one hour, $5 for two hours, and $9 for three hours of parking for loading and unloading.

Do some more homework before you attack.
David Liebler

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

I repeat, the idea is idiotic. Not only that, you are being a complete hypocrite now when it comes to your idiotic parking ideas. You oppose corner cars b/c you say they take up parking that before would have been available for short term parkers near businesses. Now you want to turn short term parking at meters into longer term parking. Your idea instead of taking away 40 spots probably converts hundreds of 2 hour parking spots to longer term parking. You are being 100% inconsistent on this idea and your idea is far more damaging to the short term parking situation than a couple dozen corner cars being shared by 1000 people. Yes, you are an idiot. You are also a hypocrite and if you'd stop hurling insults you'd realize that other than criticizing your ideas (up until this 1 post), I haven't hurled so much as an insult in your direction.

Take a lesson from Perry's crash & burn w/ his site, stick to restaurant reviews.

BTW - you didn't say spit about tiered pricing so don't say I didn't do my homework b/c you never brought it up. Had you done that I've still said it was an idiotic idea b/c people will still go out every 2 hours and "pretend" they moved their car so they could avoid paying the higher hourly fee. We don't have enough people on staff (or enough intelligent people on staff) to police this and I have less than no interest in hiring more city workers.

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Liebler, why not ask your friend and Kissy Kiss Councilwoman to get her cousin's $350,000 paid back to the citizens of Hoboken?
That could fund a nice parking program.

Liebeler a majority of businesses like Tutta/200 are supposed to be participating in PARK nSHOP! That's the law.
By why follow the law when it's so much easier to profit by breaking it? Right?

Your whole gang are nothing but a bunch of crooked politicians and tax draining scum

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

NewCityTimmy, it is soooo easy to attack others by hiding behind fake names.
You keep attacking me....Why? Because I hold people accountable?

As far as 200 Lounge goes, YES, I was paid handsomely to open their new lounge, which is by far the busiest new club in Hoboken on a Friday and Saturday night!
Danny Aeillo is not involved in Tutta Pasta, he is simply a friend and the comedy show is cancelled.

Whining........I think NOT. 200 Lounge/Tutta Pasta couldn't care less about parking. They are more interested in serving good food and enjoying their new club.

PS NewCityTimmy......you will not get into 200 Lounge unless your on a list, so you should let me know who you are so I can get you in!

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guest · 744 weeks ago

You hold no one accountable- including yourself- you posted daily on Patch about hte corner cars, then got up and raged about people posting on websites about the cotner cars. Are you asking Russo, Occhipinti, Mason etal about he million dollars in missing quarters? How about he 300k in debt owed to the city by the former mayor- convicted of corruption? Since you support discussing website info- how about asking Occhipinti and those on his team about the voter fraud case? Mason's connection to a PAC that smeared a resident? Why aren't you asking who is responsible for the collapsing roads and piers throughout the city? How about asking Tim how cutting the user fee for recreation going to help cut spending? Asking the council majority about hte ethical position of changing the rules of council and the Council President before the term is up?
And give it up with the Cammarano supporter crap- if you know as much as you claim, you know that Cammarano supported every expendure that Roberts put up, as well as supporting an underfunded illegal budget. You worked on Occhipinti's campaign which is now under investigation for voter fraud. Who do you think you're kidding?
YOu want respect, earn it.

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OLDNEWCOMER2 · 744 weeks ago

I second that, who do you think you're kidding David L? You're a political 'entrepeneur'. Everyone knows there's some angle for you in every issue you take up in the blogs. A lot of people who read and post on these blogs are really, no kidding, just citizens and taxpayers, who want the Old Guard Hoboken rip off to come to an end, not just to dress it up in new clothes of Cammarano's and Occhipinti's. Whenever anyone with a brain sees you harping on something on a blog, we know it's time to put our hand on our wallets.

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Pat Sajack · 744 weeks ago

Oh Vanna I'll buy some I's for $250 - O - C - C - H - _ - P - _ - N - T - _ V - O- T- _ - _ F - O - R _ - A - L - E

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David A. Liebler · 744 weeks ago

That is BS and just yet another attack on someone who speaks his mind.

Have a set.......say your name....then attack me like that. I created the EatDrinkHoboken VIP Card to create a fundraising effort for Church Square Park and Project Play. This initiative took a tremendous amount of time and resources to become a success.

How dare you!

What have you done for the city of Hoboken??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I also blogged about having more cops on the street..............
About cutting back all the trees and bushes on Sinatra..........
I am talking about the YMCA and the potential to buy it for the community.......

I am sure I do more then you suggest and at the end of the day.....people see who I am and what I stand for.
Can't say the same for you. Coward!

David A Liebler

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

So we should buy the "Y" as you suggest, the same "Y" that lost tons of money while your friend and political operative and religious baiter Mike Novak sat on it's board. Only to bolt when they couldn't pay their bills.

We DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR FUN PROJECTS YOU IDIOT!
Man you are the biggest private sector welfare advocate I have ever heard.
Not to mention while you are living in the tax abated 333 River!

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

Why would we even want to buy the Y? It already provides services to the community and doesn't cost the taxpayers a dime. If some day the building goes up for sale, then we can discuss it but until then why would we even think about entertaining the notion? Makes no sense at all.

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David · 744 weeks ago

It has been closed for some time

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

It is closed for renovations, not closed closed. There are still people living there. The building goes up for sale, then it is worth discussing. It is not worth discussing until then and even then I doubt anyone wants to buy an 80 year old "tear down".

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David · 744 weeks ago

Idiot the idea is to incorporate the buying of the y with the western edge plans to have the developer give the city the money to purchase it

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

so your goombas at ursa can turn it into condos?

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Gardiner4Hoboken 90p · 744 weeks ago

What is wrong with new condos? All those nice new apartments sitting empty during a down real estate market is a testament to man's folly and the folly of relying too heavily on the free market.

Sent from my iPhone

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deleted8670214 100p · 744 weeks ago

URSA/Tarragon already owe us a community center and pool. I wouldn't let them build so much as a tool shed in town. We need to find a developer who isn't best known for shoddy construction, filing for bankruptcy and not living up to the promises they made and broke over and over again to redevelop NW Hoboken. They cannot be trusted and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying much attention the last decade or so.

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guest · 744 weeks ago

IDIOT, we were already promised a pool and community center by russo, raia and ursa taragon- how stupid do you think we are to let them sign on to anything? Get real moron!
tell you f*(king clowns to go eslewhere- they played that game here already! You Buffoon..

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guest8675309 · 744 weeks ago

Liebler you're just not smart.

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guest · 744 weeks ago

yes David, we all see right through you. You are a weak, scam artist.

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

So you are a self proclaimed liar!

A few hours ago you stated :
"As far a me being the PR guys for the "new lounges" or " the hospitality" sector, I am not!
I own a successful website called EatDrinkHoboken.com and in 2011 I will be creating:
EatDrinkMorristown and EatDrinkJerseyCity.com. "

So now who are we supposed to listen to a jilted city employee wannabee or the taxpayers who are paying for the bloodsucking businesses who have their hand out costing us Police and Fire O.T., extra trash collection and streets filled with vomit that pay you now?

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@TaithBedwenAria · 744 weeks ago

David

I'm personally tired of you trying anonymous posters the way you do.
I don't post my name because I grew up online, I used to log into BBS systems in the early 80's. I posted on Prodigy and other systems. I learned a long time ago the half-life of online post is long. I learned along time ago, there are unstable people online, and I'm not even talking about the other posters, you have no way of knowing who is reading these sites. I have known people who were stalked online, then offline, and had to get restraining orders.

I have a daughter to protect, you will not see my name online. You will not see me use her name online. I call her Heulwen online and my cousins were concerned that was her real name.

People have a right to speak there opinion. They have a right to protect themselves. There is fine tradition in this country for people speaking out from behind pen name. Common Sense written anonymously by Thomas Paine comes to mind.

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Grafix Avenger · 744 weeks ago

Taith, you are so right.

The 'cover' Bajardi, James Barracato (Hudson Shark and Beth Mason webmaster/advisor) and Klaussen used for outing me and disseminating my name online was that I was a 'public official'. OK...

But in fact, the harassment online that followed was of a very personal and destructive nature (soliciting people to Google my address, picture, telephone number... the posting of smears) and had nothing to do with my municipal board service but EVERYTHING to do with blogging opinion they didn't LIKE.

Which is why some folks choose to conceal their identity, out of FEAR of RETRIBUTION for their speech.

Exactly what happened to me. Harassment of a personal nature after my name was published. Anyone who prefers to blog under a psuedonym is their choice and a WISE one. Sense is not cowardice.

David, I do question your decision as a business-operator in town, to so strongly align yourself with persons who are at best controversial, at worst demonic. Of course, it is your right. But not sure it's helpful in terms of broadening your customer base. Just my 2 cents.

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khoboken · 744 weeks ago

GA

Have to agree. Not sure why he thinks that the future of his business and Hoboken in general can be found supporting the Russo/Mason Cabal at every turn. He has been pretty relentless in his anti _ mayor barbs. Even when he tires to say something nice, about parking for businesses initiative today, it is always a back handed slap. How come he is not vocal about the Council of No? The money that the Russos owe, the horrendous budget and outrageous taxes that Hoboken pays. The 1M in missing quarters? If he were smart, he would want to lower the taxes aggressively, leaving more disposable income in the pockets of the people to whom his business is targeted. But he seems to be angling to be on the "inside". And inside of the Russo Cabal/Axis of Stupid is not such a smart place for a local business person to be. His wacko posts have actually turned me off to his site. Don't visit at all. And this from someone with a very nice T&E expense account and with several local house accounts. I utiltize other sources to get the same information he is promoting.

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Grafix Avenger · 744 weeks ago

I have to agree, k. It's Liebler's very public pontificating a whole range of opinion disagreeable to me that have kept me off his site, and certainly would discourage me from patronizing any businesses he promotes.

Now I've met him and he was pleasant. I wish him success. But being a vocal political partisan, speaking against our mayor at every turn- a mayor who many like and respect- is not likely to grow his business beyond like-minded partisans or the uninformed.

But of course Liebler's got a right to speak up, and I find him entertaining! Where would this thread be without him, after all?

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guest · 744 weeks ago

Liebler has no choice. He's believed by many to be bought and paid for - literally. Rumor has it that his fledgling business is funded by none other than Ursa Development hence his sudden emergence as champion for all things Ursa. Remember - Ursa spent something like $200,000 financing really bad mailers attacking Dawn Zimmer back in 2009. David Liebler is for sale for a whole lot less than that.

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guest8675309 · 744 weeks ago

Liebler is the biggest idiot online and a screwball in person. He's the only one who doesn't see what a fool he is. And until he pays taxes he should not be telling the city to spend more of our money.

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khoboken · 744 weeks ago

Has anyone else noticed that DL's site is essentially what Mason411 started out to be, oh so many years ago. The site then became unglued and lost its patina when PK inserted his own political views on the site, had visions of political grandeur and allowed his personality to take stage front and center as the site began to be known as Perry Klaussen's Hoboken411.com. DL is trending in that direction. I give it two more years, at the most, before the site becomes a caricature, unless he gets the verbal diarrhea under control and decides that supporting crooks and thieves is not a great platform to promote a local business.

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khoboken · 744 weeks ago

Oops. I just read Red's post above where he advised DL to take a lesson from PK and stock to restaurant reviews. My apologies, Red, and the advise is sound.

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EasyE · 744 weeks ago

Are the personal insults really necessary?

You may not like what David has to say, and maybe he is being a bit disingenuous but just stick to the facts. If he's being hypocritical or inconsistent, it's pretty easy to see. The other stuff just clouds the issue.

If you want to engage in knuckledragger rationale and tactics, we all know which site is awash in it. This town needs more civility in debate, not more of the same. The people who have bad intentions automatically default to an us-vs-them mentality and do their best to encourage fear mongering tactics. They don't want reasonable discussion, it leaves open the possibility that someone will make a good point and mess up all the hard work that went into manipulating people in the first place. We all have to live together, we're all Hobokenites. You might find that people will listen if you pose a logical, well thought out argument in the face of the half-baked, knee-jerk stupidity so often thrown at the wall to see if it'll stick in this town.

On that note, I'm pretty shocked at how often people show up to council meetings and just yell nonsense at the council. I never found that I get satisfactory results be being overly aggressive. I never shout at people who are in a position to do something for me, because they also in a position to do something against me. Oh and of course, it just makes you look like an unreasonable nutcase standing in front of the council, yelling at them.

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OLDNEWCOMER2 · 744 weeks ago

EasyE, fair comment about avoiding detailed speculating about other people's lives or problems, etc, and/or whether they are 'screwballs' etc (though it doesn't seem very vicious, relatively speaking).

Here's my frank bottom line: if people make their living in some way connected to political decisions, and which faction in up or down, in Hoboken, I don't trust them. Call that a broad brush or 'personal attack' if you like, but I'm 100% convinced the city is/would be better off from a taxpayer's POV if the people running it also pay taxes, and make their living elsewhere, or at least wholly unconnected to Hoboken politics. It's a reason I trust some 'reformers' less than others too, but anybody who supports Nouveau Old Guard (or plain old Old Guard)types like David L does, forget it, anyway.

The thing about 'anonymous posters' is just cheap, meaningless junior-high level debating tactics. Some of us are just ripped off taxpayers, not would be 'playa's' in the Hoboken game. Why should I publish my name and create all kind of hassles? That would be stupid. Take any comment by me FWIW, on its own merits.

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guest · 744 weeks ago

David's threats:

Leibler said:

"F-OFF to the haters who keep attacking me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once I find out exactly who you are (AND I WILL) I will begin my person blog attack on you and you can see how it feels.

Drop the baggage and start listening to the issues that I address.
Focus on looking at it from my point of view for one minute before you decide to attack me.

I am pretty reasonable.
David"

As someone who is very concerned about blogging, wonder if Liebler will bring this quote up for discussion, at the city council meeting.

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@TaithBedwenAria · 744 weeks ago

And that threatening quote which makes him seam unhinged is prime reason no one in their right mind should reveal their true identity on a public (viewable by anyone) forum that might be cached in the way back machine for years to come.

Here is make believe but entirely possible situation. I piss off someone like David. Someone like David acts out on that threat and starts blogging about me. Post pictures of me and my daughter. Posts the times we come and go and the route we take to daycare. Next thing I know some crazy pedophile that reads his blog has all of his research done for him by one mean hearted blogger.

Any

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@TaithBedwenAria · 744 weeks ago

damn my mouse...

Anyone here thing senior is impossible? Didn't the Mason's get mad about someone blogging about their children?

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NewCityTimmy · 744 weeks ago

Would that be the "children" they (Mason's) plastered all over The Queen's TV commercials and mailers
during her last smear campaign?

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Hobbs · 744 weeks ago

IMO He just looks like a man trying to advance his website in a down economy in a glutted market. and controversy builds site vists,

Playing up to Novak and URSA and that ilk is just good for his bottom line.

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khoboken · 744 weeks ago

Its done alot for PK.

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Vinny Testosterone · 744 weeks ago

Don't make fun of Perry Klaussen. Ever since he started pimping for the Russo's I consider him part of La Familia. You better check your comments woman! PK is the man. His gangsta tags are all over the area.

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@TaithBedwenAria · 744 weeks ago

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Ivanna Walk · 744 weeks ago

Unless you work in the magic world of URSA,
I don't want to stress your bursa,
Here is my rebuttal,
scuttle the idea of a business shuttle,
am I not too subtle?

Liebler said "People in Hoboken need to get off their lazy asses and walk",
Enough of this idle chatter and talk.
When I lived in Russia's north,
All we did was walk back and forth.

And to some this story may seem old,
but those Russian winters were freaking cold.
So get off your duff and walk around,
parking in the garages is there to be found.

To complain about walking three blocks leads this topic astray,
Business owners should park and walk every day.
So Hoboken workers stop that bithcing and moan,
the problem of customer parking is yours you own.

Happy Kwanza and Festivus!

- Russian atheist Ivanna Walk

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Gardiner4Hoboken 90p · 743 weeks ago

This is a test to see if comments are accepted.

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Guest · 743 weeks ago

I have read and reread this thread. It appears that Mr Liebler has to have his way or no way. Same goes for when we writes in to the editer at the local paper. People are correct, he does not pay taxes and until he does some of the things he says should not be said. Having read this I will not be advertising on his site. He is killing his business by opening his mouth. David, put a sock in it. Nobody visits the site anyway and your constant need of attention is hurting not helping

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deleted5542758 83p · 743 weeks ago

I've read this thread too. Cincy's first comment was spot on. David went to the council meeting and discussed the laziness of residents who would prefer corner cars to zip cars. It was pointed out to me that he lives near both downtown muni garages in a PILOT'd building. So he's not paying city taxes and the garages are convenient to him. For those of us less fortunate than he, that is to say, for those of us not living in a city tax free zone & several blocks from a garage, he scoffs at our laziness. BUT, for those patrons of local businesses, most of which are located within a few blocks of a muni garage, David advocates for a shuttle. Unbelievable!

The rest of his ranting on here is not worth discussing.

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David · 743 weeks ago

Katie,
Keep in mind the Mayor had a meeting about a possible shuttle, so this is classic. What makes this even funnier is the fact that I said IAN did a good thing with the $5 deal. You guys are very funny. Beat down artist!
I was just bringing up the same as a possible good idea, nothing more.
Thanks to all the haters out there who did there best to discourage me from posting.
It did not work :)
I will continue to call them like I see them, speak when I want.
My only change is this: I promise not to get loud at council meetings any longer. After a nice conversation with Peter Cunningham and Eric Kurta, I now realize that I was wrong.
I am sorry for that.

PS: EatDrinkHoboken.com will never be a political site. Just food. I am not H411, nor do I intend on converting to that model.
PSS: Me getting angry before was also out on line, but when the only Hobokenite that voted for Peter blogs on this and MSV....it can get brutal. You guys are a tough bunch. But I respect (most of it), some of it is pure nonsense and rhetoric. I accept the bulls eye and I am ok with it.

Over time we will agree to disagree on issues and maybe every now and then we will agree.
Democracy. Free Speech.
David

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Katie_Scarlett · 743 weeks ago

David,
If the mayor adds the shuttle I'll be vocally against that, too.

Ian is doing a great job trying to improve the traffic nightmare around town, and I am disgusted by a few councilmember's behavior towards him.

I'm not trying to encourage or discourage you from posting, and I never suggested that your site was anything, let alone political. I think it's good that you're going to curb your antics at meetings. I was there, you were unintentionally comical. I hope that you follow through on your changes. And I'm not being polite b/c your threats towards others earlier scared me or anything.

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guest · 743 weeks ago

David - are you saying the mayor held a meeting to discuss a shuttle to bring employees from garages to work? Because that's what you suggested and I'd be surprised if you were correct. I've heard the mayor mention the idea of partnering with the business community to share the cost of running a bus from the PATH down washington street and to the movie theater later into the evening and night. If local businesses were willing to foot a chunk of the cost I think that would be a great idea. That's very different than your proposal which I think is silly. I'm sure the mayor has many silly ideas of her own but I doubt yours is one of them.

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David · 743 weeks ago

So funny. Go back to my original post that a combo deal with the chamber of commerce and the city was a good idea to encourage more garage parking. The first post also mentioned it was a good idea to charge $5 to encourage garage parking. I also suggested to Ian to advertise the $5 deal more to business owners.
When will it end........