Monday, July 19, 2010

Silence of the Soares- His Online Activity is Nonexistent after Second Appointment?

Silence of the Soares- Gag order?
Editorial: It should be duly noted that it would appear that Tony Soares' activity on the blogs seems to have dissipated or completely evaporated since his controversial second appointment to the Hudson Sewerage Authority last week. He has been attempting to tarnish my reputation to anyone who will listen and has complained about my blog for taking a stance against the appearances of impropriety that can be created when one person sits on two boards as well as some legitimate concerns over conflict of interest. These points apparently have fallen on deaf ears even though from every indicator I can  gather, the vast majority of core reform has a problem with dual board appointments.

Regarding Tony's personal attacks on me, all I can say it is a small town and word eventually gets back. Personally, I have had enough of Tony Soares' vitriol to last a lifetime over the last few weeks.  It isn't about whether or not he is qualified to sit on a board or whether or not he will fight on the issues or not. We all know Tony is a fighter. The core issue is that when the conduct of a person becomes detrimental to the goals many of us in the reform movement are hoping for, something must be done about it. Instead of setting boundaries on behavioral limits, I believe Mr. Soares has been rewarded for bad behavior and that for me is at the crux of the problem with last week's appointments. Others in reform have issues with some of the other positions awarded last week but for me the core issue is Tony sitting on two boards and his arrogant attitude about it. The people have spoken yet the Lenz, Marsh, and Soares Triumvirate so far have officially remained silent. Real leadership doesn't go into a shell when things go wrong. They deal with it, communicate effectively and then move on.

Again, intellect and his experience notwithstanding, I now view Tony Soares as the cancer of the reform movement. When you have cancer and catch it early enough it is best to cut it out so it doesn't continue to metastasize, fester and grow out of control like Tony has. I believe I am not alone in this assessment and many perhaps will remain silent for fear of backlash. As far as I am concerned, reform needs to move away from the madness of "King Tony" and his massive ego. It would be for the betterment of Hoboken and the slow march towards better governance.

Additional Comment: I do realize this post may come across as personal but I can assure you there is an underlying political statement about my position. Many people would be more naturally inclined to help Mike Lenz if it were not for Tony Soares' involvement in that campaign. His threatening of lawsuits for simply stating opinion, veiled threats about my and other's employment, duplicity in dealing with people and hypocrisy are really at the heart of the matter. It is most certainly not about me or just this recent issue. I feel a line has been crossed but I do remind readers I am but one of many voices in the reform movement. Others may feel differently and I am fine with that. I have spoken my mind finally after remaining quiet on this for some time now. ◦
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I completely agree with you Kurt. And for what it's worth, he's badmouthing me all over town too. In fact, two or three people have warned me that they believe (based on his comments) that he's going to go after me at work. If he does, that's about the last straw for him IMO.
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knowitall · 764 weeks ago

I believe the identity of Guest II is Thomas Greaney, current campaign manager of ML and former campaign manager of Carol Marsh.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

that would surprise me since hes privy to a lot more info than I am & would def. have knowledge of the truthiness of my statements and would know that its possible I do too . He'd also know for a fact that adeal was made with the Russos in advance -something I cannot verify by way of written word. but something that came from a source that is beyond reproach and has zero upside to ML going down. I would like to believe that someone like that wouldnt try to impeach my credibility when he knows that Im telling the truth. .Then again, maybe that makes me a true believer in the basic honesty of most people.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

hey my post is in response to knowitalls post. I would be surprised if its tom. not RGs post.
No- I can state with 100% certainty that Guest II is not Tom Greaney. My policy is to keep those who wish to remain anonymous anonymous but I can tell you for sure it is not Tom Greaney.
I can also state with 100% certainty that Guest II is not Tom Greaney.
:-)
Outing people is rude and inconsiderate. How would you like it if it was you? I know Tom personally and if he has something to say he's not afraid to say it.
Well written, spot on.
I am not sure why so much political capital has been spent on this issue. What is the upside to having TS serve on two boards? Nothing as far as I can see, or as far as anyone else has been able to explain (unless you count the lame rationalizations about government efficiency). If the position of one per board was good enough to prevent Perry Belfore from being reappointing to the HHA Board, what possible rationale is there to explain the "exception" for TS. There is none and this will only come back to haunt anyone who supports it. I am frankly tired and disgusted with the whole mess, and it is time for ML to end it. If he doesn't, then he suffers from his own lack of leadership and inability to recognize just how much water his ship is taking on because of this screw up.

KS

If he does make a move, then he will be a pariah in Hoboken. He is then no different than that scum 411 or Barracato.
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Leave Jimmy Barracato out of this. He's a hard working Weehawken employee and doing his best for Hoboken.
He's working hard as a hired gun for me and reform. Soon he may be needed again by other reformers.

It could be any of us who need his services. Please keep this in mind before you criticize.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

He can't afford to do that to you. You will bankrupt him.

Tony is just proving how much he really cares only about Tony and how much he could care less about anyone but Tony.
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Das Klaussen · 764 weeks ago

Yah, yah we make you honorary member of Hoboken411. There's only room for one angry little man in Hoboken and it's my Hoboken411 minion.

Keep this up jolly green giant and Oscar and I will give you ghostwriting rights on Hoboken411!
Our ghostwriter sucks. No one listens to him and we don't even get many comments.

Would you like to help my crappy website?

We'll give you rights to comment on your own story too. You can have two or three screen names and then comment on how great your ghostwritten story is.

Multiple screen names, ghostwriter status, what more can you ask for?
"I got mine, pull up the ladder".
I thought a split vote on the NHSA was good, it meant the reformers are not some lock step monolith. But since it isn't a like the machine everyone has to get try and get along. There have been too few adults in the conversation over appointments too much tit for tat. We should all be above the nasty whispering and shouting.

For people opposed to someone being on two boards I the point has been made. Any future applicant for second board is going to make it clear they will resign the first. There is nothing to be gained from belaboring the point. I don't think that anything is going be done about the NHSA appointment now, the solutions create as many problems as they solve.

Everyone involved should have perspective. Infighting is only going to turn people off and let Cammarano types put 'the machine' back in to power.
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I somewhat agree with you, but think that the arrogance displayed since the appointment has only compounded the problem and contributed mightily to the issue not subsiding.
Kurt,

Not being privy to any of TS's alleged behavior with you over this matter I will take you at your word.

What makes a good revolutionary sometimes does not make a good statesman.

No one person is or should be of greater importance than the overall reform movement in Hoboken.
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OLDNEWCOMER2 · 764 weeks ago

Harsh words Kurt, but I have to agree top to bottom. The board appointment looks terrible for the Zimmer admin/council majority, no matter if she tries to distance herself by saying she's personally opposed, and no matter it depended on the Russo's going along with it. The guy is, at best, being bought off to stop behavior (on blogs and generally) destructive to reform. At worst it's just plain cronyism and he'll be back again damaging Zimmer's reputation with his slash and burn tactics. I also have nothing against this guy, don't know him from Adam in face to face in real life, but why does he keep popping up in these jobs, why him v anybody else in town? even for one board appointment! It's really hard to defend this kind of stuff against the anti-reform crowd who say the Zimmer crowd is just partly new faces (and they're right, that people like Soares, March and Lenz are hardly even new faces) playing the same old Hoboken game.
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I agree with your last sentence. But really think Zimmer is against this. She spoke out against it and I take her at her word since she's given me no reason not to.
I love unemployed people threatening lawsuits, as if they have a lawyer on "retainer". Maybe he can really go over the edge and ask Bet Mazin to pay for another lawyer. Oh, I forgot, she said she won;t pay for anymore lawyers in her starring run as Bet Mazin, in the Bet Mazin story, now available in stores near you and on line.
Was that the 126 Bus that just ran someone down?
There's enough mud being slug @ Tony w/o him making an appearance on the blogs.....regardless of my personal feelings on this issue, if I was the one being tarred & feathered in cyberspace, the obvious course of action would be to not join in.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

The obvious course of action is a mea culpa and resignation from all boards.
Really folks, really. I agree with indiecom, regardless of my take on this situation. As he/she points out, what do you really expect online at this point in the process? At this point, everyone has basically painted themselves into a corner . Draw your conclusions, move on and act on your convictions. As if a statement at this point would quiet anything. Yes, it would be nice, but no one is "required" to blog.
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Anonymous Goat · 764 weeks ago

In general i think the online boards and blogging in hoboken have gone too far. We as a community are all guilty of it. We all do it but we hide our names because we do not have the nerve to come out and reveal ourselves, we are all in a sense cowards. It is just a matter of time before someone says the wrong thing about someone, be it tony, beth, this guy, that girl and someone will is gonna pay for it.

One day someone will get hurt or killed because of all the name calling and taunting and it will be that day that we all get revealed, the town gets smeared once again and the next day we will all go online and post about it under different names. I think we should all watch what we say and go back to work and leave the online bickering alone for awhile.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

If someone is willing to kill over a hoboken political position, they're probably not qualified for the job. So the upshot will be that when they're arrested, they're going to be out of office, permanently.
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Anonymous Goat · 764 weeks ago

My remark is an 'in general' comment. This politico, this site, that site, this crossing guard, this parking authority person, this utility worker etc etc. A lot of sites and blogs in this town. It will happen one day. It has happened in other communities and how not here yet is amazing.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

We are adults. We work hard & pay taxes. We demand results. But we aren't demented asshats w/ room temperature IQs. As annoyed as we get we also understand that some people are scum and just worth venting over. Tony has become one of those people. Nobody will even come close to doing anything. Plus it sounds like Tony is far more unhinged than any of us.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

FWIW, I hope you're wrong, fear you're right, and know that I could be a target since I'm not "anonymous" to most.
Well, maybe in years past, that was a qualification for the job.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

Half the reason Jersey politics is so screwed up is all the back room deals and corruption that nobody talks about. Blogging, articles & the like make it possible for the average person to see what is going on behind closed doors. Barely a soul would know anything when it comes to how this city is run w/o the internet. Maybe the blogging at times goes to far but w/o the blogs keeping government honest Mike Russo would probably be mayor and his mother would be taking kickbacks from the local towing contractor.
Are you being serious or is this post a joke? What is up with the scare tactics? Who do you think posts here - psycho closet mass murderers? And if that is what you think, why are you keeping company with us?
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

Are you khoboken's dyslexic brother?
LOL, no just me that signed out and signed back in.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

I think the fact that the overwhelming majority of posters seem to disagree with this appointment, and some of the most vocal of us know our identities are known to the entire reform crowd (Kurt, me, Smarty Jones, others?), it begs the question - Why won't Michael and Tony address the issue?

Carol doesn't have to. She has 3 years before she's up for re-election.
Peter has almost a year, and quite frankly, I think he voted for Tony b/c Carol & Michael put the pressure on him to do so (him and the other reformers).--and no, I don't have proof of that sentiment, it's just a gut feeling.

But Michael has 3 months, and a tough fight ahead of him. Instead of addressing this issue, he has chosen to arrogantly remain silent. He knows that he believed that position came with benefits (at least for the 12 hours post Tony's appointment). He knows that there's evidence of that floating around cyberspace. He also knows that Tony didn't deny it came with benefits when questioned about that by Claire Moses of Hoboken Patch. But instead of crediting the people for having a brain, he's arrogantly sitting back and pretending that this will go away.

That is why I am still discussing this. YOU HEAR THAT MICHAEL, I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS - ADDRESS THE ISSUE, WE'RE NOT AS DUMB AS YOU'D LIKE TO BELIEVE. I challenge you to address it honestly, too. If you lie, I will post every single piece of evidence I have that shows you're lying. EVERY PIECE. And there's plenty.

I'm done. I'm sick and tired of being lied to by politicians. If I wanted liars and thieves in office, I'd vote for more Russos and Cammaranos.
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Just because someone does not respond to your posts on a blog on your time frame doesn't make him arrogant it makes you arrogant.

I too would hope that statements are made a quickly and completely but I doubt any answer will satiate you at this point.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

Not true. He just has to admit why he made the appointment. That's it. Then I'm done. I want a public mea culpa that not only says "Yea, I screwed up" but also "and yes, I thought the position came with benefits". Why do I want it? Because I want him to own up to his own failure for a change. You have to realize that if he does that, most people will say "To err is human, but forgiveness is divine" (or however it goes) and we'll all pat ourselves on the back for forgiving his screw up and we'll fall back in line with him. It'll taste sour, but it won't be the saw dust that TIMMAY causes.

He's had almost a week. At this point he's made up his spin and is waiting it out hoping this dies before he has to use it. You don't have to believe me about what I'm saying, send him an email and ask him outright about the benefits. If he says he didn't know, I can prove he's lying.
KS, It may be difficult for you to accept but I agree with almost all of your post.

I do not know what was known by whom or when, if you do then I would ask you to find a way to communicate that in another way other than the blogs.

A "TIMMAY" in office would be a set back for the reform movement and I hope to be working with you to prevent that from happening.

Has hell just frozen over ?
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

No, I can be reasonable from time to time. You caught me on a good night. :)

I've communicated what I know over the blogs. I just haven't proven it. :-D

The entire purpose of my public flogging is to clean the air for our team. Reform has to be able to say "We don't like when "they" do this, so we don't allow our people to do it either." IF that means we castigate them until they come out and apologize, and admit wrong doing, but swear it was a lapse in judgment, then at least we can tell ourselves and others that the difference is that when we stumble, we hold ourselves accountable and we try to fix the situation.

Ignoring this issue, on the part of Lenz and Tony, gives credibility to what surely will be Timmay's line of attack - they're the same story, different crew. And how can you argue against it when Mike does nothing but act in that manner. At least Tony is just appointed, the responsibility to clear the air rests with Mike.

We must make Lenz distinguish himself from the bad cells. Let's face it, he's been good when it comes to finance & keeping Russo's b.s in check. Even I will admit that. In fact, he's been good outside of the meglomania he's displaying right now. And given that this is what has troubled me about him from the get go (the "too smart for his own good"), I'm livid that he chose now, and not December 2010 after he won to put it out there for everyone to see. Now he may have cost himself (and us) an election.
I would ask Kurt and Roman to reach out and try help to settle this for everyone's sake.
MSV is looking to do so as Guess II suggests. To this point we're not through the story elements. The mayor made time to do an unscheduled interview, and then the City Council President Carol Marsh did an interview late Thursday.

Discussion on doing an interview with Tony Soares ended Monday where he opted not to but he did agree to answer one question and it's in yesterday's story.

So far the City Council members have not weighed in.

Mr. Kates and his legal team are looking to answer the questions on their side and will get back as soon as they can.

MSV will be following up.
Thank you.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

..given that MSV stated he was trying to pin down tony to no avail, and HJ said Lenz would only speak off the record I think that we'll be waiting until kingdom come for these two (and really, it's not Tony's problem, Lenz is the one that answers to the voters) to speak.

but that is just my opinion based on the deafening silence thus far.
No, you have just corssed over to the dark side.
I hope not.
Did someone say sawdust?
Did someone say sawdust?
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

He was quick to respond when his building got sued for some slip and fall and 411 posted an article about it. He gets appointed to some board and radio silent for 5 days? Come on. Stop being the TS apologist already. The act is getting old already.
I am not an apoligist for anyone just not signing on to this crusade that I think will hurt the reform cause when other ways to resolve the issue would be better.
But Blanche, you look like a duck, you sound like a duck, you walk like a duck. You're a duck. Embrace your duckness.
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

Ok, I lied. One parting thought for the night - What if the reason TS is staying silent is so that he can open the door for himself in May? What if he sees this as his golden opportunity to discredit Michael and someone parlay this into a council position for himself? This is speculation, of course, and I have nothing but my gut to go on.

Unlikely to work, but does he know that?

I don't know. Just a question I'm throwing out there.
Quack, quack, quack,

The sound of Guest II responding.
Do you think being juvenile helps your cause ?
Let's see, paranoid, prone to violence, irrational, juvenile, out of control anger, in need of anger management, need to find boundaries for anger - have I missed a few of the names and attributes that you have thrown at me? And KS? Pot meet kettle. Why would I take anything you say seriously? However, this could be fun, kind of like a game of "I know you are, but what am I?" But then again, only if you had a sense of humor.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

Of course it won't work. If he is the reason ML loses then no way TS is electable ever. I honestly think TS has irreparably damaged his reputation b/c of his complete refusal to deal w/ this situation. Tony never is this quiet and is the most prolific poster of all the public officials in town. He has been silent since this whole thing blew up and I will bet my bonus he has read every post on every board covering Hoboken that he can access. His silence tells me more than enough.
You are right and so is KS. If he came on a forum and did not own up to his mistake, trying to spin his way out of the situation, it would be a very ugly scene. For that reason he is laying low. If he did man up, however, I think that KS is right and people may puke a little in their moth, but eventually call a truce. But his future as a leader? Done.
I would doubt that is a likely senario.
Ahhh, Blanche, it is so good to hear the sweet dulcet tones of your calm soothing voice of reason coming to the defense, yet again, of ML/TS. Who can argue with you? Certainly only those violence prone, irraitonal nut jobs that just have a different POV from you.
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OLDNEWCOMER2 · 764 weeks ago

Perhaps the deal was the board appointment in return for shutting up on the blogs, where I think it's clear TS damages Zimmer with a lot of his 'pro-Zimmer' attacks on people, like Bajardi does to Bet Mason.

But the main issue is not silence on blogs, but just how low down old Hoboken this smells. Before it also went generally silent, Hoboken Revolt's blog was a good place to get attacked by Soares if you suggested...that there should be a revolt against high taxes! The 411 crowd is mainly full of crap, but even a broken clock tells the time twice a day, and they are basically right about Lenz, Soares and Marsh. Not the despicable personal attacks on those three, but just the basic fact that these 'long term activists' have in fact just become pretty regular Hoboken/Hudson Cty political operatives, and/or professional or semi-pro 'public servants' with a natural conflict of interest v what has to be done to shrink the Hoboken/Hudson County public sector to where taxes could ever be reasonable, which is the main issue of many Zimmer voters.
In the absence of a current statement from Tony Soares, may I quote from his campaign literature when he ran on the Marsh4Mayor / Team Hoboken slate:
"My voice is always heard - sometimes a little too loudly, I'll admit - on the side of reform: open government, quality services, and fiscal responsibility. I get mad when people act like ethical standards don't apply here in Hudson County - or that nothing can be done. Something can always be done, if enough people get involved."

So, yeah, ethical standards apply even here in Hudson County. They even apply to those who cloak themselves in the mantel of the "reformer" label.
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I agree tburns! B) and it is the very arrogance that rules don't apply to him that have me most upset.
Hoisted on his own petard.
This is interesting. Nice find.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

His cloak fell off.
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Rachel Goldberg · 764 weeks ago

Many of you know that Scott and I moved, and I can't lie, this political climate had a little to do with the decision. Much like congress, it seems that people have lost the ability to reason about what constitutes good government, and instead feel the need to label people either 'good' or 'evil'; 'with us' or 'against us'.

This is pure political BS, and is a key entry in the Lenz playbook; it was a hallmark of the Roberts, Marsh, and Zimmer campaigns. There are a few of us that have felt that this was not beneficial to Hoboken and as a result began to distance ourselves from campaigns he was involved in.

To be a reformer is not to be good or evil, it is about changing the governmental systems for the better. I am heartened to see people start to question whether some of the council's decisions truly represent good government, if for no other reason then that it shows that true dialogue can begin.

Tony is great on the Zoning Board, and he will probably be great on the Sewage Board, but if he, Marsh, and Lenz are committed to their principles of good government, the clear issues would have been addressed prior to Tony accepting this position. Is there a logical tie between these boards- maybe, but we have yet to see any one of these leaders stand up to defend their position on this basis. In the case of Russo and Castellano, this does little to diminish them as strong politicians; they understand how to step across the aisle for the benefit of their constituencies. For those of you who have heard "Reformer" language about how the Russos failed Hoboken, I hope this gives you pause to question what you really know about them, or any of the other folks who are so continually bashed for expressing their opinions.

Many have viewed Scott and I as Reformer-deserters, but I think that this provides an example of the reason behind our choices. Good government is responsible and transparent. It involves all parts of the community, and solicits support from a wide variety of groups. Good government does more than reward its supporters, it holds them all accountable as a part of a contract that benefits society. Many might ask us why we supported Peter: the answer is simple, he was a wolf in wolf's clothing, and making Hoboken better was clearly important to his future at the State and National levels. By approaching us and talking with us, he crossed the “aisle” and took strong criticism about his choices. Ultimately, we were angry and upset at the events and have remained dismayed at the negativity that has become pervasive in Hoboken political dialogue.

For Hoboken to truly grow and flourish, the 'reformer' movement must go beyond the rhetoric and become a critical friend to the Mayor, the administration, and the council.

While my family heads westward to large parks and truly forward-thinking communities, I will hold fast to my dream of a Hoboken where government does not cater to whoever will give the vote, where people from different backgrounds and experiences come together to celebrate community, and where there is no 'good' or 'evil'- there is just a concerted effort toward a higher quality of life for every person in the mile square.
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Seriously good riddance. Stop posting here. You made a dumb ass choice in Cammarrano. He was connected to the same do nothing except hook up your friends machine and you still supported him. Did you see the goons he recruited for election day from out of town? Or how about the fireman, yes the Hoboken fireman, who went ahead and ripped hand leaflets out of Zimmer supporters' hands and stomped on them? Those were the thugs you supported. Good riddance. Go post whereever you live now,
Rachel -
This post and your ridiculous rant at the city council meeting where Lenz was appointed as 4th Ward Councilman is embarrassing. You should really reconsider speaking in public and/or using your own name. Your own ambitions + limited intellect are what led you to be the political joke you are today. And let's face it, you barely made it out of town sans tar and feathers. You're a pariah, you have no credibility, and your jealousy of all women more successful than you (read: the mayor) is palpable.

Instead of looking to blame others for your comedown, maybe you should take a loooooong look in the mirror and realize that your own ambitions blinded you to just how much of a caricature of yourself you've become. Peter Cammarano? Puh-lease. Anyone with half a brain believes you backed him in the hopes of parlaying a political job for yourself and/or your husband. Tell us again how that worked out. Better yet, don't. Just go away.
Rachel- Ignore Guest and welcome to the Hoboken Journal's newly revamped comment section. I appreciate your candor with respect to your support of Peter Cammarano, however he has let Hoboken down. Hopefully Dawn Zimmer won't. So far so good but four years can be a long time. Of course, opinions differ.
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OLDNEWCOMER2 · 764 weeks ago

Wow another person I never heard of who arouses deep passions (and I *have* lived here 23 years, and don't *totally* not pay attention).

But she just underlines the real point: it's really hard to defend the whole Zimmer thing when you have Lenz. Soares and Marsh acting more or less as their critics would predict. I'm not saying it's impossible or condemns Mayor Zimmer to failure, but aside from attacking the messenger, and her nonsense about open minded and forward looking Jersey 'burbs, how can you really counter her? Soares *is* all about old style Hoboken politics, shifting Machiavellian alliances, personality centered resentments and personal attacks, cronyism, and now Zimmer's major allies have endorsed it. It's not the end of the world, but a bad episode.
Counter her? Countering a person who holds that the Russo faction are good public servants and that convicted felon Peter Cammarano would have made Hoboken a better place is like countering a person who tells you their favorite number is potato.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

Stop insulting potatoes.
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OLDNEWCOMER2 · 764 weeks ago

We can point at all the things the Russo's faction does and laugh at people taken in by Cammarano all we want. But the Lenz/Soares dealing is old Hoboken stuff. Don' t try to put lipstick on that potato. I don't see the counter argument to the Cammarano supporters' typical refrain that the Zimmer crowd is just another set of players in the same old game, *in this particular case*. I sure hope it turns out to be a rare case that can be written off as exception. Along with the infamous Lenz quote 'not elected to cut taxes'. We'll see, but sure it's embarassing as a Zimmer supporter. That's how I feel.
If you "don't see the counter argument to the Cammarano supporters' typical refrain that the Zimmer crowd is just another set of players in the same old game" then I suggest that your antipathy toward Lenz and Soares, which likely predates this incident, has seriously clouded your judgment. You should evaluate questions like "are Ian Saks and John Corea are comparable to each other?" and consider the absurdity of your suggestion. And if your comments are limited to "this particular case" then they inexplicably ignore a year long record of obvious change.
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OLDNEWCOMER2 · 764 weeks ago

I don't know either Soares as I alread said, or Lenz, from Adam in direct real life. I've seen some what I'd call qualtiative positive changes under Zimmer, but taxes still going up, and her major ally, Lenz, says they weren't elected to cut taxes. And Soares has attacked people all over on blogs for complaining about taxes, or wanting to cut the school budget or close the hospital. That's a policy difference I have about this wing of Zimmer's allies at least, though there's nothing morally wrong or sleazy about their position. Some parts of 'reform' thing high taxes are OK, we 'fortunate' property owners 'deserve' to pay them, and it's mainly a matter of getting more competent less corrupt people in public office, to get more for all that money.

But it really galls me when those same people start engaging in Old Hoboken political behavior like Mike gettting his buddy Tony another job. That's the context of my reaction; the pre-existing problem is those two as prominent in 'high tax reform' wing, not 'antipathy' by me.
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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

Peter never crossed any aisle but he sure seems to have conned you into crossing it. His vague words and empty promises should have been a very large warning sign for you. He made no hard choices and no firm commitments. That wolf slaughtered you sheep and what is sad is that you walked yourself into his den and let him do it to you.

BTW - you seem to forgot that the government of Hoboken and NJ as a whole violated that contract w/ society years ago. You willingly aligned yourself w/ the candidate who represented the interests of those people who ripped up that contract (unions). So not surprised that a few people don't look to kindly on your preaching.
Meh. A self serving parting shot from a person almost no one knows.

You acknowledge that you knowingly advocated electing a "wolf in wolf's clothing" to the Mayor's seat but totally ignore the potential social, economic, and legal impacts of that choice to our community. Thankfully Peter was removed from office before he could ground friends and neighbors of yours who didn't support him "into powder". BTW your chosen "wolf" is due to be sentenced on August 3rd for accepting cash bribes, during the election and while he was Mayor, and all of Hoboken is a better off for him being gone.

That your own definition of reform is in such open conflict with your actions of the last 2 years and that you can't see it is disappointing. I frankly doubt you'll ever be able to understand that reform never left you, it was you who left reform.

I wish you and your family good times far away from Hoboken.

be well.
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Das Klaussen · 764 weeks ago

Yah, yah Rachel you sure are sexy jumping on a trampoline with Peter Cammarano. I wish to take exclusive video of such an event.

Please come back to a City Council meeting and read to us some select passages from Peter Cammarano's campaign literature. That's one of your best pastimes and Hoboken really would love to have you do that in your sweetest Peter Cammarano loving voice.

You are not deserter. You are welcome anytime to support us at Hobo411. I have a minion you will find very sexy. A sexy little Hobo411 minion for you Rachel awaits.

Okay, we are preparing a secret get together with the Russos at the St. Ann's feast. You are invited for your fealty to the Old Guard of Hoboken corruption.

Heil!
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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

Das Klaussen ist sehr lustig!
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Mattaccino · 764 weeks ago

Unless "westward" is out of New Jersey, you will find bountiful disappointment in your new community of "broad lawns and narrow minds", for this cancer is not just in Hoboken, ours is just closer to the surface. Here is a link to your new guidebook: http://www.thesopranostate.com/
Did someone say Cammarano?
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