The Hoboken Journal: Second Board Appointment Illegal?

Monday, July 19, 2010

Second Board Appointment Illegal? - Story on MSV

The MSV blog has a story on whether or not one person holding a second Board position is actually legal or not as per City Council policy. Go to the story in the link below for this exclusive:

http://hobokenhorse.blogspot.com/2010/07/second-board-appointment-illegal.html

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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

I eagerly await the spinmaster's response to this newest piece. Cant wait for Guest II to tell us why Michael is above reproach and how he and Tony didnt do anything wrong.

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Guest II · 764 weeks ago

Again your wrong.

I have stated clearly several times that I am not a cheerleader for TS or ML.

I also don't have the chip on my shoulder when it comes to them that you seem to have.

Katie you want to make this into something personal and for you it may be but it is not with me.

When you drifted away from the facts I asked you to provide them and will continue to do so.

I am willing to hear the legal opinion on this before I jump to any conclusion.

The way I read the form it is not a law that may have been broken but a policy preference.

There is a big difference.

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katie_scarlett · 764 weeks ago

.you're right. The difference between breaking the policy And breaking the law is jail time. But I only vote for people who follow policy. Doing his own thing is great if undependable representative. However I do not.

That's not personal it is just my voting policy.

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khoboken · 764 weeks ago

Geesh. The fact that as "reformers" we are actually having a discussion regarding the difference between violating policy versus breaking a law or rule related to more than one appointment is sad and pathetic. If it is wrong, then it is wrong, I don't give a flying F--- if it is the Napoleonic Code. That the handlers for ML and TS are reduced to a "technical" argument to defend their actions is sad commentary on the state of reform in Hoboken.

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p1ywood 98p · 764 weeks ago

Agreed. What the heck is up with that?

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Guest II · 764 weeks ago

You and KS need to find boundaries to your hostility.

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khoboken · 764 weeks ago

LOL I would take the post semi- seriously if it weren't so silly. And don't worry, Mr. Mrs. whatever you are I am not trying to handle KS and khoboken, there will be no back and forth with you. I find most of your posts only occasionally amusing and of no great interest. Most of the time your whining defense of ML and TS is lame, inconsistent, condescending and illogical. Feel free to characterize this post as hostile. Frankly, my dear, as I have noted before, I don't give a damn.

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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

I think this discussion proves that Mike has no "handlers" and Tony is a bad thing for reform.

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Redrider765 · 764 weeks ago

Seems to me as if over 95% of the posts you have ever posted on either site under this name were made in the last several days and were specifically written to defend TS & ML. You have been posting for months w/ this name. I find it hard to believe given all your hard work that you don't have an axe to grind. The same can't be said of anyone else who has posted on the matter. But keep up w/ the smokescreen and keep being their proxy.

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deleted5542758 83p · 764 weeks ago

Thanks Red. That was my next point. You're spot on.

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Guest II · 764 weeks ago

I have not defended TS or ML but have asked Katie_Scarlett and khoboken to reign in their hostility and base their posts on facts.

I have no axe to grind or personal animosity towards any of the players in this little drama and you can believe that or not.

I have worked many years to help in a small way to bring reform to Hoboken's government and I do not want to see it jeopardized by petty infighting.

I have also agreed with the one appointment per person ideal in one of my first posts.

I have stated I would have preferd BA had been appointed rather than TS.

I have posted TS is a volitile personality and some revolutionaries do not make good statesmen

I take exception to the methods of the attacks on both men. Neither is perfect and niether deserves to be demonized. Many mock PK and LB for using the same methods but cheer on KS and kh.

Keep it factual and civil is all I have asked.

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khoboken · 764 weeks ago

I have stated clearly several times that I am not a cheerleader for TS or ML.

The only only appropriate response is to quote a line from a great old movie classic. "But you are Blanche, you are!".

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Guest II · 764 weeks ago

You and Katie_Scarlett both seem to have an afifinity to old movies.

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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

And apparently old movies with Vivien Leigh. Let's be honest, she was both gorgeous & a fantastic actress.

FTR, I prefer the book GWTW to the movie though. Just a lot of nuance to KS that you can't get in the 3+ hour epic.

But where it comes to you, Guest II, I've deemed you True Believer (a la Stan Lee, Mallrats). Like I said on MSV, I feel bad b/c when you realize exactly how Michael has used people and lied to you, and when you see he's an opportunist of the worst sort, it will hurt you more than it hurt most others. Because you're 100% invested and believing in him. For that, I'm sorry for you. But it's happened to many people, that's why he gets booted from group to group.

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Guest II · 764 weeks ago

KS Just because I don't agree with how you are expressing your extreme point of view it does not mean " That frankly my dear I don't give a damn" or that I am defending TS am ML I am simply disagreeing with your tactics.

As you anger grow you become more extreme. I never liked lynch mobs.

We agree on many points but I will continue to disagree when you are willing to destroy what so many have worked so hard for to satiate your personal anger. There are better ways to end this then venting your anger on these blogs.

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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

Well I tried emailing him and he danced around the issues and came thisclose to lying about his reasons. By thisclose I mean, he never actually answered the question.

He represents me, I live in the fourth. He knows that. He kind of "does have to answer to me" at some point. Well, if he wants my vote.

That all being said, I have to admit, you're 3/4s of what gets me amped. Constantly questioning the veracity of my arguments when I know I am sitting on a lot of information that could prove my point (but I don't want to use it all, and once I'm mad, and the **** starts to roll, I cannot say for certain that I will be able to stop myself, so I don't start). That's why I think you're a true believer. B/c if you were a shill, you'd know that I'm not lying and you'd stop before you pushed me to the breaking point.

That's it. I think I need to leave this for the evening before I do get myself pissed beyond the point of return.

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khoboken · 764 weeks ago

I know that Guest II has been pushing your buttons, as we have discussed. He actually pushes mine as well. Hard to let him know that, but it makes me wonder that, if his stated objective is to calm the roiling waters and he is soooo miserable at achieving that objective, then maybe he is a mole, sent in by the Camp de Russo, and he intends to ramp up the discussion. I think that you are too kind to label him a true believer. He has an agenda, just being dishonest about it. In any event, I am sure his quack ready response to this will be just as humorless, unimaginative and predictable as all of his others. I just don't pay much mind to the posts.

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Guest II · 764 weeks ago

Paranoid much ?

Too weird a post even for you.

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Guest II · 764 weeks ago

Katie, I like to think I am a true believer in the reform movement in Hoboken but not tied to any individual.

I will ask you to find another way to communicate than the blogs to resolve this.
Perhaps Kurt and Roman can broker a sit down or something.

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Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago

I've calmed down, see my other post (the one you're responding to was an hour ago)

I don't need Kurt or Roman to broker a sitdown. I have Michael's number, email address, fb page etc. Tony's too.

And anyway, I know they're reading this. They can't help themselves. :)