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This flier from Beth Mason has been in mailboxes in the Second Ward recently |
Update 8/16/2010: This post has been bumped up to to strong comment volume. I do recommend that when debating the issues that you stick to proper argumentation and refrain from insulting other's intelligence. I do like to allow a wide berth in the comments and generally refrain from moderation so I just make this as general suggestion on this thread. One thing I want to be clear on is that I don't think this faux populism argument coming from Beth Mason and the axis of Hoboken 411 is going to help her politically that much at least to those who follow events closely. What the reserve should be for a city of our size should be the main point of the debate.
Original Post 8/13/2010:
Beth Mason and Hoboken 411 in synch on the "Budget Surplus"
Here is the latest communication from 2nd Ward Councilwoman Beth Mason. The first sentence is predictably a link to the latest factually incorrect article published on Hoboken 411 about the budget surplus.
Dear Friend,
Recently the City of Hoboken filed its year-end financial statement with the Department of Local Government Services, which revealed a budget surplus of almost $20 million. This surplus belongs to you, the taxpayers. I am calling on Mayor Zimmer to return this money to you immediately in property tax relief.
The surplus was created as a result of the crushing 47% tax increase. This increase resulted in you overpaying thousands of dollars in property taxes. Your money should be returned immediately.
Please stand with me in my call to return this money to the people of Hoboken and help provide much-needed property tax relief.
Together we can make Hoboken a better and more affordable place to live and raise a family. As always if you are in need of assistance or have any concerns please do not hesitate to contact me at (201)-916-8244 or Beth@MasonCityCouncil.org.
Thank you for your time.
Beth Mason
2nd Ward Councilwoman
My comment: The portion of the budget surplus that is not marked for anything is $12 million dollars. This has been confirmed by several sources as well as Mike Lenz's comments at the last City Council meeting. Ideally according to Mike Lenz, who is chair of the budget committee, a city of the size of Hoboken should have a budget surplus of about $10 million. In the past, the City of Hoboken had to do temporary financial instruments that cost the City over $800,000 in one year because they did not have a surplus. Remember that under the Roberts Administration that the City Workers almost lost Health coverage because the city wasn't paying their bills on time. Is Beth Mason saying the City should not have any surplus? Is Beth Mason saying the City should give back all the $20 million to the taxpayers? Some of the money is set aside to give the police and fire raises when negotiations or arbitration is completed. Does she want to rob from the cops and firemen their retroactive raises to give back to the taxpayer? The amateur hour of fiscal finance continues with Perry Klassuen, Lane Bajardi, and now Beth Mason displaying they are not even fit to read a basic balance sheet or understand how good government really works.
If the Zimmer Administration continues to make the incremental cuts necessary with appropriate reductions in the fire department where if/warranted, as well as other areas of City Hall that could use streamlining, some tax relief will come next year. Perhaps $2 million could come off the surplus and give some tax relief now, but not $20 million. I would rather see that go to paying off the principal of some of our bonds (the ones with higher interest) to put the city in even better shape going forward.
Here is an analogous example to explain my position further: I am the Condo Association President of my building and we have 9 units. Every year I don't have the Condo Association balance at zero dollars at the end of year. I always try to keep some carry over between $10-$12K dollars. Why? Because I never know what could come up like a major roof repair. If I started at zero every year I would be hitting the association with one time gimmicks like a special assessment or could run into trouble paying routine bills like insurance or water due to cash flow issues. Duh! You need to have some money in the bank at all times to have smooth operations whether it is a small condo association like mine or a city like Hoboken. ◦

Hobbs · 764 weeks ago
FAP 82p · 764 weeks ago
Over 8 million of that money is locked in by the state to pay for Roberts' past deficit. Additionally there are tax appeals that have to be paid and other anticipated costs that without the surplus would cause tax shocks. My personal ball parking puts the unpledged discretionary surplus at around 5 million dollars. 5 million in surplus is reasonable, and may be a bit on the low side, for a city the size of Hoboken.
tax payer · 764 weeks ago
If you ever leave extra money laying around a POLITICIAN, IT WILL BE SPENT. Why make it an acceptable standard to overcharge the taxpayer. Did you forget that we put 2 out of the 4 last mayors in jail for corruption. With a track record like that, why would anyone be crazy enough to leave money not earmarked for anything laying around. Don't we ever learn!!!
I am disappointed about learning about this surplus through the blogs. I believe this current Administration to be clean, but someone amongst them is giving them really bad advice. I expect more. They are better than that!!
We are the TAXPAYERS, and are the very reason that every job in City Hall exists. Please don't undermine us! Make cuts because they are necessary, not because they sound popular. I have chosen to live in an affluent town with excellent services, with TAXES to match. If I wanted to live in a dump, I have plenty of options.
Ps. Bring back the Garbage Can Crew. If anything, expand that division. I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A FILTHY TOWN! Multi Million dollar Brownstones with Garbage all over the street. This is unacceptable!
As much as it hurts to say, Beth Mason is right on this issue. She is getting back on the right track. It's time for the other eight to get in line, or step aside. Remember who you are working for. You took an oath to do so.
FAP 82p · 764 weeks ago
Having a surplus is what responsible cities do. This avoids having tax shocks when unexpected things happen. It's the same as a building owner putting money into a surplus account because he knows sooner or later something, like the boiler or roof, will need work and he can't raise rents on a dime.
khoboken · 764 weeks ago
redraven · 764 weeks ago
deleted8670214 100p · 763 weeks ago
Also confusing is the author's comment on if the city has a surplus, it will absolutely spend it. If we were going to spend it, would we be laying people off? Would we be fighting with the unions over their contract? Would we be exploring shared services to lower costs? Would the mayor and directory salaries have been cut?
Clearly this person either doesn't live in Hoboken or has no clue what is going on at all.
tax payer · 763 weeks ago
Lets try something different. Lets start our posts by disclosing if we have donated any $$ to the current Council or administration. Lets use "$" for every 500 one has donated, including family and or spouse. So if one household has donated $2,500. you would put "$$$$$" at the beginning of your posts. Why not if we have nothing to hide.
Now back to your venomous "no clue" labeling. If you have learned anything on your short time on this planet, you know that Governments big and small have a history of squandering money that is laying around, or why else would you HAVE A BUDGET! Why not just collect $200 Million a year, "JUST IN CASE NYC invades us" A budget is a tool that is suppose to guide a City through it's annual expenses. It is NOT A SLUSH ACCOUNT. Sadly, many Municipalities use it as an expense report to let us know the damage after the fact, Hoboken is NO stranger to this with regards to past Administrations.
What is so hard about giving us a budget and following it, not making up the rules as you go along. If the budget was negative $10 Million, would you just call it a deficit and leave it in???
As a TAXPAYER I expect a balanced budget from any City Council and Mayor, which may include a small PREDETERMINED RESERVE. I don't want to hear any gimmick as to why the City should keep any additional surplus. If you want a bigger reserve, than have the courage to raise taxes and put it in your budget. Lets see how well that works in the voting booth....
Amazing how any time a budget is underfunded it is up to the taxpayers to come up with the money. Than a soon as the shoe is on the other foot and they stumble upon an extra pile of cash, it becomes "their surplus", not the taxpayers!!!! If this is not a fraud, than I am not sure what is. Feels like one giant Ponzi scheme, in fact it is. They hold our money, and don't even give it back when they have to.
Ps. In the interest of disclosure, my total campaign contribution in the City of Hoboken equals 0.000 Now lets put down our pom poms and have an intelligent discussion!
Hobbs · 763 weeks ago
Katie_Scarlett · 763 weeks ago
If you don't get that concept, that's fine, but please stop with beating a dead horse on this. You're wrong.
deleted8670214 100p · 763 weeks ago
deleted8670214 100p · 763 weeks ago
As for the rest of your rant, clearly you have no idea wtf is going. You are taking accounting lessons from people who couldn't balance their checkbooks if they tried. There is no $20mm surplus. Nobody but that venomous shrew Mason and the people she has on retainer (who I must say are some of the dumbest and most obvious people in town) says there is a large surplus. And you still haven't even addressed the fact that the city is actively going out of its way to cut spending which completely undercuts your assertion that the city would necessarily spend any such excess surplus that might exist. If the city starts wasting money, I'll complain then. But right now it seems like what they are going out of their way to do is cut wasteful spending.
Do us a favor. Please stop toeing the Mason party line. She is an idiot.
tax payer · 763 weeks ago
I have not made any statements here in support or against any political sides, although your preference is quite apparent due to your inability of seeing through your pom poms. If you actually knew anything about Hoboken's budget other than the misinformation that you get from your private cult, you would know that there is a lot more going on.
For one, it apparently costs about $93,000,000. to run this City if you take out all the one time expenditures, State fines, etc.. The City of Hoboken has never lowered the amount of Taxes collected since the 47% Tax increase, despite the fact that many of those expenses were part of a structural DEFICIT. Meaning that if these expenses were paid, which they were, they would not need to be placed in all of the following years budgets.
This also explains why all of the Mayoral candidates, Not just Dawn, were all making a promise of such a large tax cut. All that they were doing was just promising to collect the right amount of Taxes, and hoping the voting public was not sharp enough to understand what was really going on.
Ps. I give Mayor Zimmer credit for stepping up and trying to make cuts. I may not necessarily agree with the cuts she is attempting to make, but I respect the effort. And if she is adamant about these cuts, than she might not want all this money laying around, especially heading into binding arbitration with the Unions.
deleted8670214 100p · 763 weeks ago
No, it is obvious you have an agenda here. You keep toeing the "paid for by Mason" line despite the fact that only does nobody agree with you, but there is ample evidence that Mason is just plain wrong.
Guest · 764 weeks ago
Gardiner4Hoboken 90p · 764 weeks ago
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Guest · 764 weeks ago
Hobokenswabee · 764 weeks ago
Did you attend the Bet Mazin School of Government on Hudson St? Good grief. Incompetence hurts and playing politics with phoney numbers is beyond incompentent. It's frankly disturbing and this woman has been a horror show for quite a while now.
Okay, please go back to the safety of that embryonic Masonic environment at Hoboken411. They'll be happy to receive you back in the censored fold.
khoboken · 764 weeks ago
@lincolnlogger · 764 weeks ago
Beth apparently would rather live in a city with poor credit, more bonding, and higher interest rates that serve no one in the community.
Katie_Scarlett · 764 weeks ago
1. Running a losing campaign
2. Spending wayyyy too much money and losing
3. Being disingenuous
4. Being ignorant of most things pertaining to effectively running the city.
That about sums it up.
deleted8670214 100p · 763 weeks ago
5. Lying through her teeth
6. Running a smear campaign that ends up blowing up in her face
7. Plastering cars w/ nasty fliers which ultimately end up littering our streets
8. sending out way too much junk mail
9. Outing posters on 411
10. Aligning herself w/ some of the nastiest and sleaziest people in town (a crime some so called reformers are guilty of as well)
Boink · 764 weeks ago
Gardiner4Hoboken 90p · 764 weeks ago
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Boink · 764 weeks ago
the same $20 million dollar surplus story, they all seem to think it is a big deal.
Question here, who runs their home or life without a stash of cash? We can't fix our little corner of the world with Emergency Appropriations and borrowing. A little saving goes a long way to fixing allot of things. I believe the cost of borrowing will go down becuase we have reserves, and the rainly day money will be spent on something, let's just hope it won't be spent on pork for cronies.
LameB · 764 weeks ago
No one is claiming there's a $20 million surplus except for Perry Klaussen, Lame Bajardi, and Bet Mazin.
And Kurt doesn't need you to tell him what to write.
Gardiner4Hoboken 90p · 764 weeks ago
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Boink · 764 weeks ago
Do you need me to quote the "20 million" from the Patch Story too?
LameB · 764 weeks ago
Thanks but those lies along with that menace Mason are mnot required. Or wanted.
deleted8670214 100p · 763 weeks ago
Katie_Scarlett · 763 weeks ago
deleted8670214 100p · 763 weeks ago
Katie_Scarlett · 763 weeks ago
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@BRHOBOKEN · 764 weeks ago
p1ywood 98p · 764 weeks ago
But c'mon, what do you want in these cloying weekly press releases? I would say features like maybe recipes for dip and such or maybe a game of "Jumble" would be entertaining. Or maybe a children's fairy tale or some surrealistic art would be nice.
tax payer · 764 weeks ago
If the City is shorthanded, than stop the nonsense with trying to make cuts, and hire what you need to get the job done. Believe me, I am not for waste, but I am also not for sitting idle and wasting time while watching things not get done. A City of this size should be running efficiently, but the quality of life should not suffer.
The concept is simple, collect the appropriate amount of taxes that the City needs to operate properly, not a dime more. If the City has a line item for reserves, than return whatever is left over. You don't need reserves and a surplus at the same time. Too much double talk going on here. We bond for things as a City, but also have the money on hand to pay for them.
Ps. It's not a good practice to keep a surplus laying around, when you have your hand out to the Federal Government for repair money for Pier C, your hand is out to the State for School Aid, and your hand is out to the County for road repair. Also, you are fighting with the Police and Fire Unions about jobs and back pay. Who came up with this strategy??????
This Mayor is better than this. Stop listening to whoever is advising you on this stuff, and go with your gut. All that I mentioned above is not making Hoboken better than when you took office. Now clean house, even if it means taking the heads off of a few that you believed in, otherwise over time they will blame you.
Janis · 763 weeks ago
Do you suggest we put aside money for retroactive pay? How about: Oops- I let people retire early w/out checking with the state(4m)? Oops! I sold the garage with no plan to place it elsewere?, Oops! i didnt require the developer to use apporopriate materials while building a pier (12m)?, Oops! sold off all assets to cover emergencies?, Oops! bought a hospital when I couldn't run my own finances and knew nothing about healthcare(52m)? Oops! I illegally underfunded the budget(10m)? Oops! the housing market crashed and taxpayers are asking for re-evals and refunds? As well as the many other issues that need to be attended to?
"We bond for things as a City, but also have the money on hand to pay for them."
???? If we had money on hand to pay for things why would we need to bond?
"It's not a good practice to keep a surplus laying around, "
p1ywood 98p · 763 weeks ago
p1ywood 98p · 763 weeks ago
Not on council, running for council in next 3 months: twice a month
On council, running for re-election in next three months: once a month
On council, running for re-election eventually: once every six to nine months
Off council, or on council not running for re-election: oversee press releases of protege
Not on council, running for mayor eventually: once every three months
On council, running for mayor eventually: weekly
Note: at your discretion, substitute a 4 color glossy mass mailing for any of the above
khoboken · 763 weeks ago
Hi, I'm Bet Mazin adn I am an idiot.But I think that you are really even bigger idiots than I am. And RIcky agrees with me and so does my good web master and paid political scum bucket blogger, FIn Boy, even though he lives in Weehawken. Well, eough about me, Bet Mazin, and my minions for now. I really just wanted to share some good news with you. My good friend and fellow moron, Mikey Russo, told me that his Uncle Goerge told him that there is a pot of gold being hidden at City Hall by that evil Sorcoress posing as Mayor of Hoboken, Auroa Dawn. And that evil pretend she is the Queen of Reform is not willing to share it with anyone!
khoboken · 763 weeks ago
p1ywood 98p · 763 weeks ago
ss1959 · 761 weeks ago
Redrider765 · 761 weeks ago
p1ywood 98p · 761 weeks ago
Politician in City Hall Wants to Be Your Next Mayor.
A $2 million campaign and you don't get it yet?
Mattaccino · 761 weeks ago
NotsoEasyE · 761 weeks ago
It certainly doesn't look good to do that when you're laying people off, but it's disingenuous to suggest that it makes any difference.
Lookforward · 761 weeks ago